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Old 03/16/12, 09:11 AM
 
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The articles are misleading
The ground meat is exposed to a small amount of Ammonia GAS to kill Salmonella and E. Coli

It's not being sprayed or mixed with liquid Ammonia
You couldn't be more wrong. The ammonia gas saturates the beef slurry in sufficient quantities to change the pH from around 6 to almost 10. That is a 10,000 times increase in alkalinity. Except that people complained about the taste and odor of meat that had 10% of this "product" mixed into it. So after getting FDA approval for this process, Beef Products quietly decreased the amount of ammonia in its processing - with the unfortunate result that it no longer kills all pathogenic bacteria as previously claimed. So you get ammonia, and Salmonella too.

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(shrug). It is mechanically separated meat. Everything on the cow is edible, whether it is a part you normally eat or not.

I don't happen to like mechanically separated meat, so I don't buy it. I don't like the food at the national burger chains, so I don't buy that, either. But lots of people do and they aren't dying from it. Protein is protein.

The rule at this household is "Never ask what is in the sausage. You don't want to know. Just eat it"
So in interests of using every molecule, you wish to hide this information from the consumer .... for their own good?
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saw on the news last night, that schools will now be able to pick "slime" beef or "non slimmed" beef
But shoppers in the super market wont have this choice? Cause I've yet to see some packages of burger labeled SLIMED and some labeled UNSLIMED....
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But shoppers in the super market wont have this choice? Cause I've yet to see some packages of burger labeled SLIMED and some labeled UNSLIMED....
If the meat is labeled "organic" then supposedly it is unadulterated according to this taste test article on slime vs. no slime.

'Pink slime' sounds gross, but how does it taste? | The Morning Sentinel, Waterville, ME
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Old 03/16/12, 10:30 AM
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But shoppers in the super market wont have this choice? Cause I've yet to see some packages of burger labeled SLIMED and some labeled UNSLIMED....
I fully agree. The point was that we can put up enough stink to change things a bit.

what I have NEVER gotten was why "the children" is always the button to push.
what are we adults? chopped liver?? less human??

if there are no healthy adults, who will take care of all the children??
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Old 03/16/12, 11:34 AM
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What the kids at school get to choose from is 'lean' meat with pink lime or non-pink slimed meat that is not lean. Sounds like the same thing to me.

A little consternation is that McDonald’s, Burger King and Taco Bell have said they will no longer use "pink slime."
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Old 03/16/12, 11:39 AM
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Why would those Fast Food outlets choose to no longer use it,afterall it IS 'regular meat' according to it's supporters.
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Old 03/16/12, 11:53 AM
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Why would those Fast Food outlets choose to no longer use it,afterall it IS 'regular meat' according to it's supporters.
Because they make their decisions based on public OPINIONS and PERCEPTIONS rather than facts.
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Old 03/16/12, 12:45 PM
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The perception that connective tissue is not meat?

Well...that would be because it isn't really.

Not sure why anyone would defend this practice,it is only to boost the companies profits,not for any other reason.
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Old 03/16/12, 01:41 PM
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I agree that some amount of similar "slime" will end up in the meat that I send out to be processed locally. But the pink slime they are discussing is purposely ADDED to the meat to save money. I wouldn't purposely make any changes to save money. I feed my animals well, care for them well, take them to a processor I know and trust. It costs alot more than store bought meat.
I will be buying a meat grinder very soon. We haven't eaten any ground meat since seeing this. I'll stick to the home raised chicken and turkey in my freezer, Thank you.
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Old 03/16/12, 03:19 PM
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The perception that connective tissue is not meat?

Well...that would be because it isn't really.

Not sure why anyone would defend this practice,it is only to boost the companies profits,not for any other reason.
Yes, profits are evil. I prefer to deal with companies that do not make profits... oh wait, they don't exist.

I have yet to purchase any food from retail establishments, where profit wasn't involved.

I have, however, acquired tons of food, from friends, neighbors, and locals, where the profit motive didn't exist, unless you consider me owing them a return kindness consideration, in the future, as a profit.

Trailrider... you'll be getting into the pink slime business then? when you get your grinder, and start processing every trimming possible. I do the same. When I wasn't as dog poor as I am now, I've scraped every scintilla of meat and tissue off the bones of a carcass and either ground it or canned it. It's All Good!

Does ammonia gas dissipate, or does it stay forever bound to the meat molecules? Anyone ever tasted ammonia (gas) in their meat? I regularly smell some skanky smells in meat, as I bring several hundred pounds home from the butcher each week, but don't recall ever getting any whiffs of ammonia...

As in most things related to commercially obtained foodstuffs, the key to avoiding all of the evilalities associated with them, is to grow your own... or in this case, slaughter, butcher, and process your own.
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Old 03/16/12, 03:23 PM
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Boost profits by adding something not needed to their product so as to cut back on the actual product...
Namely LESS actual ground meat,less ACTUAL flour....

I wonder if those who support such measures by business are like this when selling THEIR products?

Would you add wood fiber to your 'home baked' goods to boost profits?

Would you grind up some gristle to get a few more pounds of ground meat?
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They have been found out and this product will soon be back in dog food. All is not lost,, dog food is pretty expensive.
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They have been found out and this product will soon be back in dog food. All is not lost,, dog food is pretty expensive.
This brings up another point.

If this product was no big deal,perfectly okay for humans to eat,etc,etc,WHY was it used for dog food?
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This brings up another point.

If this product was no big deal,perfectly okay for humans to eat,etc,etc,WHY was it used for dog food?
That was BEFORE they treated it to kill E Coli simple as that.
If it says “Finely Textured Lean Beef.” or “BLBT (Boneless Lean Beef Trimmings) is a sustainable product because it recovers lean meat that would otherwise be wasted,” Then don't buy it if you are that concerned about it.
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However, the substance, critics said, is more like gelatin than meat, and before Beef Products Inc. found a way to use it by disinfecting the trimmings with ammonia it was sold only to dog food or cooking oil suppliers.
But Boyle says “the beef trimmings that are used to make BLBT are absolutely edible” and Janet Riley, senior vice president of public affairs for AMI, said there was no reason to label beef that contains “pink slime.”
“What are you asking me to put on the label, its beef, it’s on the label, it’s a beef product, it’s says beef so we are declaring … it’s beef,” she said.
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Old 03/16/12, 04:28 PM
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The perception that connective tissue is not meat?

Well...that would be because it isn't really.
I haven't seen any real evidence of "connective tissue" being a big portion of "slime".
Those claims are only seen in the hyped up media reports.

I DO know you can take the BEST Prime Rib, and grind it fine enough, and it will LOOK just like "pink slime"
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Old 03/16/12, 04:30 PM
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That was BEFORE they treated it to kill E Coli simple as that.
If it says “Finely Textured Lean Beef.” or “BLBT (Boneless Lean Beef Trimmings) is a sustainable product because it recovers lean meat that would otherwise be wasted,” Then don't buy it if you are that concerned about it.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...ime-free-beef/
Why is there E. coli present in this by product?
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Old 03/16/12, 04:33 PM
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I DO know you can take the BEST Prime Rib, and grind it fine enough, and it will LOOK just like "pink slime"
Of course you can...

And you can take what was previously only good enough for dog food and serve it to humans.

Doesn't make it a good idea...well except for the companies that can then stretch out their product for maximum profits.
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Why is there E. coli present in this by product?
There is a possibility of E Coli in ALL meats.
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Old 03/16/12, 04:35 PM
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There is a possibility of E Coli in ALL meats.
But THIS meat by product is specifically treated for it...why?

Why is there a need?
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