Fence posts in wrong direction - reverse insulators?

ace admirer · #21 03/09/12, 10:48 AM

Its HIS not Yours

lakeportfarms · #22 03/09/12, 01:44 PM

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I guess I've got a little bit of clarifying to do. The fence is bare right now, it's just tposts and corners. The neighbor has horses, so he wants barbwire. (Don't know why.)

Barbwire is a no-no for horses. They get tangled in it and they'll do a lot of damage to themselves. Legs especially. Hot fencing is a much better choice if you're not using boards. Tape or the heavier rope should be used for sighting the fence, at the very least at the top. Have your neighbor do a search about it on the web.

wwubben · #23 03/09/12, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by J.T.M.

May I ask why not ...

Livestock will push the steel posts and ground your electric fence.The other wire will be too close to your ht fence.The insulators break pretty easy and will give you trouble.Deer will ground it out for you also.I would use wood posts and build a much stronger fence or use #14 electric fence wire the way you planned.You do need an agreement with the neighbor before you do anything.Neighbors share the expense of one fence between propery around here.

Waterwheel Farm · #24 03/09/12, 04:31 PM

I haven't had much luck with that style of insulators using high tensile. The "S" configuration didn't let me pull the wire tight enough to suit me. One thing that *might* work is to U-bolt a piece of 2X4 on your side of the posts, and then use the pass-thru lag bolt style of insulators. Not sure how to get around the end posts though, if their tee posts. If don't pull straight on your corners, it just twists the tee post and if he's using those tee posts corner gizmos they will just come apart as the post twists. Good luck...tuff problem, but if you can figure out a way to share his tee posts, don't blame ya at all. I've pounded a blue million of the stupid things.

Joshie · #25 03/09/12, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

No. The neighbor also claims he owns our driveway. What a nice guy.
And, I think it would look very odd to have double-fencing. Not to mention he might just take HIS fence down and jaunt off with it!

Do you know that the driveway isn't his? I guess I'd rather have double fencing than use his posts. What would stop him from taking down the posts? Did he ask you to put your fence on his posts? What happens if you find that your land actually goes into what he thinks is his field? He could come back and claim that since he's had use of that land it should be legally become his. I think that this is an area where saving money now will cost you in the long run.

If you already have a difficult relationship I don't think that putting your wire on his posts will help. Did he give you permission to do that? If you put wire up on his posts it'll become his.

Michael W. Smith · #26 03/09/12, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

The fence is bare right now, it's just tposts and corners. The neighbor has horses, so he wants barbwire. (Don't know why.) If we put field fence up, his pets will trash the fence. So, he wants barbwire, but that can't work for small animals. Thus, we will be putting HT on our side and barb on his side. Why? Well, we were going to put his barbwire up, but he claims he's "too poor" to put it up. (He's been here 7 years and just got his fence up.)

Unless you have some kind of written agreement, chances are this isn't going to end well.

Most people who have horses don't put up barbed wire - because horses if spooked will go crashing right through it - which cuts them and gets all tangled up.

As for using the neighbor's fence posts, what happens when the tposts get pushed on by the horses, or the fence needs repaired? Who is going to do the work? Who is going to pay for it? And what happens if the neighbor decides to get rid of their horses - they won't need the fence anymore so he wants to take down HIS fence posts.

Any way you look at this scenario, there are possible problems in the future.

wwubben · #27 03/09/12, 06:31 PM

Ask your township trustee what the fence laws are in your area.

Heritagefarm · #28 03/09/12, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ace admirer

Its HIS not Yours

And snow is white.
Actually, since it is a boundary fence, it is both of ours.

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Originally Posted by lakeportfarms

Barbwire is a no-no for horses. They get tangled in it and they'll do a lot of damage to themselves. Legs especially. Hot fencing is a much better choice if you're not using boards. Tape or the heavier rope should be used for sighting the fence, at the very least at the top. Have your neighbor do a search about it on the web.

LOL! That would require telling him he made a mistake by putting up barbwire (which is did). I don't think he'd like that!

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Originally Posted by wwubben

Livestock will push the steel posts and ground your electric fence.The other wire will be too close to your ht fence.The insulators break pretty easy and will give you trouble.Deer will ground it out for you also.I would use wood posts and build a much stronger fence or use #14 electric fence wire the way you planned.You do need an agreement with the neighbor before you do anything.Neighbors share the expense of one fence between propery around here.

Obviously. And I don't see what deer have to do with this; this is state-of-the-art fencing we're talking about here.

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Originally Posted by Joshie

Do you know that the driveway isn't his? I guess I'd rather have double fencing than use his posts. What would stop him from taking down the posts? Did he ask you to put your fence on his posts? What happens if you find that your land actually goes into what he thinks is his field? He could come back and claim that since he's had use of that land it should be legally become his. I think that this is an area where saving money now will cost you in the long run.

If you already have a difficult relationship I don't think that putting your wire on his posts will help. Did he give you permission to do that? If you put wire up on his posts it'll become his.

That wouldn't happen because he had his land surveyed first, fortunately.
Now, let me clarify: We were willing to put *HIS* fence up for him for *FREE*. However, he claimed that he was too "poor", thus, we offered to put up our own high tensile.
Otherwise, yes. I know the driveway is not his. (It happens to be blatantly located on our land - nowhere even near his property.)

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Originally Posted by Michael W. Smith

Unless you have some kind of written agreement, chances are this isn't going to end well.

Most people who have horses don't put up barbed wire - because horses if spooked will go crashing right through it - which cuts them and gets all tangled up.

As for using the neighbor's fence posts, what happens when the tposts get pushed on by the horses, or the fence needs repaired? Who is going to do the work? Who is going to pay for it? And what happens if the neighbor decides to get rid of their horses - they won't need the fence anymore so he wants to take down HIS fence posts.

Any way you look at this scenario, there are possible problems in the future.

Why would he want to take down his fence? It's a boundary fence, thus would require written consent from us to allow him to do that.
Otherwise, unless our placid lazy cows go crashing through the fence, nothing will happen to the fence because he's not even going to let his horses out there.
Some friends came over and helped me put up three strands of high tensile - worked fine. Luckily there were no dips and sharp hills, so little strain is on the insulators.

oneokie · #29 03/09/12, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

And snow is white.
Actually, since it is a boundary fence, it is both of ours.

LOL! That would require telling him he made a mistake by putting up barbwire (which is did). I don't think he'd like that!

Obviously. And I don't see what deer have to do with this; this is state-of-the-art fencing we're talking about here.

That wouldn't happen because he had his land surveyed first, fortunately.
Now, let me clarify: We were willing to put *HIS* fence up for him for *FREE*. However, he claimed that he was too "poor", thus, we offered to put up our own high tensile.
Otherwise, yes. I know the driveway is not his. (It happens to be blatantly located on our land - nowhere even near his property.)

Why would he want to take down his fence? It's a boundary fence, thus would require written consent from us to allow him to do that.
Otherwise, unless our placid lazy cows go crashing through the fence, nothing will happen to the fence because he's not even going to let his horses out there.
Some friends came over and helped me put up three strands of high tensile - worked fine. Luckily there were no dips and sharp hills, so little strain is on the insulators.

If you knew all this before posting, why the sob story? You are obviously aware of Missouri fence laws.

Wanda · #30 03/10/12, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by oneokie

If you knew all this before posting, why the sob story? You are obviously aware of Missouri fence laws.

Performing a troll is what you are seeing.

Heritagefarm · #31 03/10/12, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Wanda

Performing a troll is what you are seeing.

Would you like to try on my shoes? You might find tthem particularly uncomfortable, so I suggest you refrain from such obviously incorrect and blatantly insulting remarks!

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Originally Posted by oneokie

If you knew all this before posting, why the sob story? You are obviously aware of Missouri fence laws.

Sob story? Wow, how shallow. Typical of you, too.

Heritagefarm · #32 03/10/12, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by oneokie

If you knew all this before posting, why the sob story? You are obviously aware of Missouri fence laws.

You seem kind of like my neighbor. Always there with the vultures and always waiting for the best opportunity to stir trouble.

oneokie · #33 03/10/12, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

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Originally Posted by oneokie
If you knew all this before posting, why the sob story? You are obviously aware of Missouri fence laws.

You seem kind of like my neighbor. Always there with the vultures and always waiting for the best opportunity to stir trouble.

Maybe it is because I have several adjoining property owners that have the same attitude that you display. Two of those no longer have livestock because of fence maintainence issues.

Twice before you have mentioned putting me on your ignore list. If you would go ahead and do that, you would probably be much happier.

Shygal · #34 03/10/12, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

And snow is white.
Actually, since it is a boundary fence, it is both of ours.

Even if its on his property?

What makes you think you have the right to put up anything on HIS posts? If you put up a fence, then he should be able to take your wire off his posts and sell it if he wanted to.

Heritagefarm · #35 03/10/12, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by oneokie

Maybe it is because I have several adjoining property owners that have the same attitude that you display. Two of those no longer have livestock because of fence maintainence issues.

You don't seem to get it. I offered to put HIS fence up, whatever he wanted. He refused.
MY attitude? What the frig does my attitude have to do with this? I was trying to help him, so we could both have fencing. If you don't like neighbors who are willing to help, you must be a VERY unhappy person.

Heritagefarm · #36 03/10/12, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Shygal

Even if its on his property?

What makes you think you have the right to put up anything on HIS posts? If you put up a fence, then he should be able to take your wire off his posts and sell it if he wanted to.

Well, actually he couldn't because we both have animals; that would result in lett our animals loose.
Anyways, it's a boundary fence. That means that even though he put it up, it belongs to both of us.
Anyways, he's still whining, so we're just going to put up our own fence; problem solved except he still says he owns our driveway; LOL!

Wanda · #37 03/10/12, 12:11 PM

Normally with a shared boundary fence the rule is the half to your right as you face the other owner over the fence.. You imply that it should be every other post and every other wire.

When you move in you control your property and not the neighbors. If you want to vote on who has control find someplace that has an home owners association.

Have you checked the fence laws for your county. If there are shared fence laws in place there are usually inspectors that rule on disputes. If you did not do this I have no reason to believe you are not just trolling this board for sympathy.

Bearfootfarm · #38 03/10/12, 12:38 PM

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Well, actually he couldn't because we both have animals; that would result in lett our animals loose.

But you said he's not putting HIS animals out there.

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Anyways, he's still whining, so we're just going to put up our own fence

That's what you should have done to start with instead of all the drama

Your story keeps changing

oneokie · #39 03/10/12, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

If you don't like neighbors who are willing to help, you must be a VERY unhappy person.

Go back and reread post # 33. Where did I mention neighbors?

I am a very self confident, happy, easy to get along with person up to the point that whiners and chiselers want to help me spend my money to their benefit.

Sanza · #40 03/10/12, 12:43 PM

I think some members are missing the point of this forum!
Heritagefarm has a right to post his concerns to get other opinions, which can help his decision about this fence.

That said, my opinion is to get a surveyor out, get the boundary lines legally pinned and then build your own fence a few inches inside your own property line. Put in sturdy wood posts and let your neighbours know that the posts are situated inside your property. Then you may negotiate a suitable barrier if he's willing to pay 1/2 the costs. If he doesnt then you string up whatever wire you want.