CDC:Raw milk much more likely to cause illness.
 

Interesting article....


"Raw milk and raw milk products are 150 times more likely than their pasteurized counterparts to sicken those who consume them, according to a 13-year review published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Tuesday. States that permit raw milk sales also have more than twice as many illness outbreaks as states where raw milk is not sold."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2849766/posts


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I suppose the difference is in how you evaluate the word "sicken;" short term, or long term.

Cows may come, and cows may go, but the bull about this subject will go on forever. > God Bless America, > Thanks Marc

I often wonder how they know? A lot of people who get the flu don't go to the doctor. How do they know if people are getting sick from the milk or not? I can not figure out what the studies are based on? There are just to many variables. I'll keep drinking raw but I would be to chicken to sell it.

So what? Boil that raw milk and that goes away. But seriously 150 times what? If the chance of getting sick from pasteurized is .0001 well 150 times that is what, .0015? Big freakin deal.

It's not like folks aren't getting sick from lettuce, spinach, cantaloupes, steaks and more then I can remember in recent years that is sold at the local supermarket and had nation wide recalls.

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I wonder if they've ever tested in the opposite direction. Are people that drink raw milk less likely to have to visit the DR, get the flu or a cold? Have arthritis? And how can raw milk sicken someone that doesn't drink it? (okay, that's a silly point, but it's kind of how their sentence is worded.....)

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I just came across this article about the CDC study on the Weston A Price foundation site. Thought some might be interested?


http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroo....html?d=246790

Hey, I just posted the stupid article, I didn't say I agreed with it. I just posted it to let people know what our Govt. is doing....

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Most governmental laws, rules, opinions, etc are simply based on the premise of helping big ag, big pharma, and big business, big oil because that is where most political contributions come from, and most lobby jobs are from for those who leave government work.

All I know is that when I drink store milk I need to run to the restroom, not so with raw.

Thanks for posting the article, Ninny. It's always interesting to see what fiction Big Corporations are pushing this week.

They say that raw milk is more likely to cause illness, but I wonder what the morbidity stats REALLY show.

We all hear about recalls of milk, meat, and veg from Big Ag Corps, and about the dire illnesses caused by those products, but not about small producers' products.

Hype, anyone?

God Bless America :bdh:

Great!!!!:bow:

Would you like "the rest of the story" about that study? ;)

http://www.westonaprice.org/press/cd...ainst-raw-milk

Don't be turned off by the source-read it and form your own opinion.

I have heard of many more people sickened or at least catapulted toward Porcelain (or sawdust) from Ultra Pasteurized Milk, than there own raw milk.

Once those people received the nutrition from the unmolested milk, then how would the study read?

Pasteurization allows big diary to get away with using dirty facilities.

I agree with this. I wouldn't buy raw milk and trust them to be clean. It only takes a small amount of crud to make you sick. How many think that ruining steam through the pipes is a good way to clean the equipment. I have worked on the pluming in a dairy and where it connects together is a big problem. Just a small bump in the pipes will hold the crud until it breaks loose. Would I buy raw goats milk yes. That is because they weren't milked by a machine that had pipes in it.

We watched, Dirty Jobs I think it was, where Mike was at a dairy and they didn't even wash the cow teats before slapping on the cups. I was thinking of all that ick that just went into the milk vats. Nasty. I remember them saying something about getting the big clumps of muck cleaned off but weren't concerned about general dirt.

I slogged through 11 years of data on the CDC site......food borne 'outbreaks for the state of Ohio......estimated (@to CDC) 300,000 raw milk consumers.....not even ONE single incident confirmned to be caused by raw milk!!!

The FDA had a page on raw milk.....and claimed that there had been 800 outbreaks caused by raw milk. An independent researcher, looking at the same data, only found 41 cases. I sent an e-mail to the FDA, asking how I could verify the number of 800. I wonder why they never answered my e-mail????:hysterical:

A few years ago, some government agency reported abot a dozen outbreaks ...if I rmember correctly, in Minnesota. A couple of us called the Minnesota Health Department.......they said that there had not been any reports of illness from raw milk.

Gee, I wonder why people do not believe the government when they start talking about raw milk????:hysterical:

Is this the same CDC that is now saying that human breast milk is dangerous to a baby's immune system - because it interferes with vaccines?

Talk about the tail wagging the dog!

Yeah, I really trust those wise, all-caring, knowledgeable govt folks...

Not.

Perhaps you were looking for love in all the wrong places!

http://outbreakdatabase.com/details/...-raw-milk-2006

To find any similar cases in each state, go to http://outbreakdatabase.com and select "campylobacter" and your state.

Martin

From this story, I see that about 33% of the milk illnesses come from raw milk and 3% of milk drinkers drink it raw.
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Does that make raw milk 11 times more risky or 1100% risker?:stars:

From the link PrettyPaisley posted:

Great news! If you happen to get sick from eating or drinking a product that is illegal in your state, it doesn't count! I guess those abdominal cramps and vomiting are just a figment of your imagination.

If I want to smoke cigarettes, and kill myself it is ok because the goverment gets to tax it. If I want to drink alcohol till my liver is shot, thats ok because the goverment got its tax. But fresh milk?........... What have we learned here class?

Willow girl - I forgot my facts, can you tell me how much fecal matter is acceptable in milk picked up at the farm, and what the somatic cell count can be up to? And when it is higher than acceptable they still take it they just dock your check. Now I will agree that they zap it and heat it and kill everything in it, but isnt that because the amount of bad stuff that they allow, would be very bad for you? At my place, I allow NO fecal matter in my milk.

When the milk companies pick up milk at the farm, they only allow certain levels of bacteria and somatic cell count. And I can`t remember the exact amounts at this minute. I think Somatic Cell was 300,000 and yes they still take it but dock you very badly if it`s to high, same with bacteria. Antibiotics are another story, if you have ANY in your milk and don`t tell the company you will end up paying for the whole truck load of milk, because they don`t allow Any in milk. My company took a load to the landfill one day because of that verything. > Thanks Marc

Oh but the FDA and the USDA are our friends, or so we have been told. :pound:

"I allow NO fecal matter in my milk." Oh, come on now. I'm going to have to call BS on that statement. Are you using a pail or milker? You can wash teets and bag. You can sqirt milk from each quarter before milking. But there can still can be some microscopic bits in your cow's milk.

While the amounts are likely very low, zero is a difficult goal to meet. Have a Lab run a culture. Tell them you aren't looking for a specific ammount of bacteria, just trying to prove that bacteria from fecal matter does not exist in your sample. In a week, expect to see a fuzzy pretre dish.

I milk goats, and their fecal material does not splatter, it is solid little pellets. Also hand milk through cheesecloth (I dont even have an acceptable number of hairs I will approve), after thoroughly washing udder and teats with iodine and wipes. Within 10 minutes after being milked out it is being filtered and chilled. But my milk is dangerous compared to commercial dairies? Absurd............I do this to have a superior product, and then hear commercial dairy and big agri companies say that the small farmer cant be trusted to produce a product as good as theirs.

Yes, those oversized tic-tacs that fall endlessly out the back of your goats are not prone to splater.
What is the micron limits to your cheesecloth? While most hair will not pass through cheese cloth, you are only limiting the size of the facal laminated dander that goes into your pail.
What kind of filter do you use that gets out Campylobacter? Now that's absurd.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3605046

"During a three-week period in July 1983, six cases of Campylobacter jejuni enteritis in King County, Washington were associated with a dairy that produced raw goat's milk. Four patients consumed the dairy's milk, and the other two patients comprised an employee of the dairy and her infant son. Two case-control studies confirmed that, at the time the cases occurred, consumption of the dairy's milk was a risk factor for C. jejuni enteritis in King County. C. jejuni was isolated from the intestinal tract of three of the dairy's goats. Two of the three isolates, as well as those from five of the patients (all of those tested), were Lior serotype 36. That serotype was not encountered among 14 other C. jejuni isolates from King County during the period of the outbreak, including three isolates from goats at another inspected dairy. The study shows that raw goat's milk may transmit C. jejuni infection from animals to humans, as other investigators have shown for unpasteurized cow's milk."

Now if you are looking for more recent outbreaks, google is your friend.

To put this in perspective:

CDC estimates that each year roughly 1 in 6 Americans (or 48 million people) gets sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die of foodborne diseases.

Of these exactly 2 deaths have been attributed to raw milk since 1998 (and one of those from a raw cheese, not fluid milk). As a weird side note, I believe it is over 7,000 people that have been killed by their toasters during this same time frame (the toaster is by far the most dangerous appliance to ever come into our homes). In addition 50 people are killed by their table top fans every year (45 are killed by their refrigerator).

As for Campylobacter: it is one of the most common causes of diarrheal illness in the United States. campylobacteriosis is estimated to affect over 2.4 million persons every year, or 0.8% of the population

This is from the CDC site. Drinking only pasteurized milk does not get you some sort of free pass from Campylobacter or Foodborne Illness/death.

Minor correction, please replace "attributed" with "verified". To those keeping track, that's a majot difference. :stars:

While you can get Campylobactor from products other than raw milk, properly pasueurized milk isn't one of those products. Drinking pasteurized milk will not protect you from injesting bacteria from other foods any more than looking both ways before crossing the street will protect you from a lightening strike.:bash:

Haypoint - Do you think that killing all bacteria (good and bad) in milk makes it better for you? Why do they put vitamins back in, because they have to put something in it good for you otherwise there would be no use in drinking it.

You think if there were more then 2 deaths since 1998 (one from fluid milk, one from raw cheese) that they (CDC) wouldn't have jumped all over it and the number would be higher then 2? I guess I am confused where you are running with the "verified" versus "attributed". Are you saying the number is higher but the CDC is, what, protecting the raw milk industry???

As to the Campylobactor my point was that raw milk was hardly the only place that you can pick it up. You can pick it up from your own pet.

The raw milk debate boils down to this: Are you in charge of your own life and able to make good decisions for your health and welfare or do you need / want Big Brother to take care of your every need? I personally want Big Brother to take a short walk off a steep cliff.

Ok, I have one more question for you Haypoint (obviously I don't have enough to do today) are you taking the stand that pasteurized milk and milk products have never caused Foodborne illness or death? Are you really saying that if you only drink/eat pasteurized dairy products you are 100% guaranteed to never become ill or die or contract Campylobactor from said pasteurized dairy product? That it is 100% safe? Always?

I will keep this short, I have a greater chance of getting killed driving my car than I will from drinking raw milk. But I will still drive my car, so I for sure am going to drink raw milk. We are never going to agree on this subject, can`t anyone figure this out. > God Bless America, Thanks Marc

Some of us are trying to avoid doing the dishes Marc ;)