CDC:Raw milk much more likely to cause illness.

You could almost believe some people are paid by agribusiness to post here.

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I didn't realize that the problems with unpasteurized milk were so widespread. In the past 5 or 6 years, there's been cases in 31 states with only 19 not reporting any. The Outbreak Database reports them all, pasteurized and non-pasteurized. Just select a state without specifying the organism to find all recent cases recorded in the state.

http://outbreakdatabase.com

Martin

And I`m looking for a nap, maybe I can find one.

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Y'know, Oz, I was thinking the same thing.

For me, this is an issue of personal choice. I am a free agent. Whatever I choose to do with my own body - for good or ill - is MY choice. I will take the consequences, and the first person who says, "Well, we have to pay for your choice" is going to be dismissed as violating a corollary of Godwin's Law.

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I LOVE when websites set up by Ambulance chasers specialising in food poisoning are used....

Wow,do a search on oysters and see how dangerous eating oysters can be...
http://outbreakdatabase.com/site/sea...y=US&x=59&y=23

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Many cases of pasturized milk making far greater numbers of people sick in several states, than small operations. Good info.

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Is there anything in this whole wonderful world that is allways 100% safe? No.
If a product labeled as pasteurized wasn't actually pasteurized, then you can injest any of the remaining bacteria and get sick. Products can be adulterated anywhere along the production line.

CDC cannot jump all over anything without proof. Often people get "24 hour flu" and do not report it as food poisoning. Those few that do, have often times consumed the evidence. Does no good to test this week's milk if the illness came from last week's batch. Many times it takes a group of people all reporting the same illness and a specific food in common to even launch an investigation. Even then, it might not appear on the stats.

Say 100 people get sick in a small town. A couple days later, the local health department gets involved. After spending a couple days questioning everyone, they narrow it down to everyone had eaten Chilli at my Cafe'. They'll come in and check the pot of Chili I've got brewing and find nothing. Nothing gets reported to CDC.

But, if you are selling milk to 100 people and 50 get sick enough to report it, and a check of your bulk tank shows you have cows expressing Campylobacter into the milk, you are going to get reported to CDC. Some groups wouldn't show up on the stats, Amish don't report that sort of thing.

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Got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell ya, real cheap.

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I think people should be able to buy whatever they want, be it raw milk or state-inspected butchered meats or whatever. But the fact is that the risks rise when you do this. So best you know how clean the person is who's selling it, then.

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Y'all must never have bought seafood right from the boat,being as so many are frightened of getting sick.

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Are you kidding? I can't tell? So, are you saying we should go by the numbers or not go by the numbers? You are making up imaginary people in small rural towns? That is the argument? Imaginary people that might not get reported so the numbers are skewed? But on the other hand you say we must go by the numbers and the numbers (so says the CDC) say raw milk is dangerous? So which is it, by the numbers or not by the numbers? Your logic is making me dizzy trying to sort it out?

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Absolutely, and that is what drives a healthy market. People only buy product from folks who sell a good, healthy product.

People who do not maintain clean facilities or farming practices will certainly not have repeat customers.

Also, buying close to home from people you know benefits local economies.

Certainly better than sending money to benefit other places or countries, isn't it? And you know where your food is produced.

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OOPS!!!!!......When I was sloggin through the 11 years of data for Ohio, there were MANY references to "outbreaks" where the "source" was suspected, but not confirmed.....

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Excuse me.......the last time I checked pasteurized mik can become contaminated after it is pasteurized.

Pasteurization does nothing to prevent further contamination.

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1. Did I miss something??? I did not see where the poster said that cheeesecloth catches Campylobacter????

2. WOW!!!!! All the way back to 1983 to find a problem with goat milk!!!!! Let me see is that actually almost 30 years?!?! Raw Goat milk must be pretty safe!!!!

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I was just curious.....what are the most common sources of Campylobacter outbreaks. The 'anti-raw milk enthusiasts seem to imply that raw milk is the primary vector of this bug. The CDC has a study that was done over 4 years in the 1980's.

Here are a couple "cut & paste:"

The first "cut and paste" is when they looked at data before they started their study (1982).

The first reported Campylobacter outbreak, in 1978, was also the largest, when a contaminated community water supply affected an estimated 3,000 persons (13). Between 1978 and 1986, 57 outbreaks of Campylobacter infections were reported, including 11 waterborne outbreaks, 45 foodborne outbreaks, and one outbreak in a tourist group for which the source was unclear (Table 6). A species was reported for 43 outbreaks: 42 outbreaks were due to C. jejuni, including one raw-milk-associated outbreak due to both C. jejuni and a thermotolerant strain of C. fetus subsp fetus (14), and one outbreak was due to a cluster of C. fetus subsp fetus infections in cancer patients (15). The median number of cases was 22 in waterborne outbreaks and 14 in foodborne outbreaks. Two fatalities were reported, one occurring during a foodborne outbreak of C. jejuni infections at a nursing home, and one occurring in a patient with metastatic melanoma. The latter patient was part of the cluster of C. fetus subsp fetus infections (15). The outbreak- associated case-fatality ratio for Campylobacter infections was two per 6,441 or three per 10,000. A vehicle was determined for 80% of the foodborne outbreaks; of these, 70% were caused by raw milk, and 8% were associated with poultry. The waterborne outbreaks were all related to drinking untreated surface water or water supplies with inadequate chlorination.


Interesting......later when they were looking at the data they collected during their study......poultry was the most common source.......and it looks like contact with cats is a more common source than raw milk. And even in the Iowa outbreak (where drinking raw milk is common.....only 33% of those infected with C... had actually drank any raw milk.)


The sources of sporadic cases of Campylobacter have been defined in several recent case-control investigations. Poultry is the predominant source; contact with pets and consumption of raw milk or surface water also play important roles. In sporadic cases occurring among members of a health maintenance organization in Seattle, at least 50% were accounted for by poultry, and 9% by foreign travel; the single outbreak in the study population was traced to raw goat's milk (16,20). Among university students in Georgia, 70% of cases were accounted for by eating chicken, often undercooked or raw, and 30% by contact with cats (21). In Dubuque, Iowa, an agricultural area, drinking raw milk was the leading identified risk factor, and 33% of the patients had consumed raw milk (17). In Colorado, the identified risk factors were drinking untreated water or raw milk, contact with cats, and eating undercooked chicken, although their independence was not assessed (22). In a second study conducted in Colorado, handling raw chicken, as opposed to eating it, emerged as a risk factor (23). Poor kitchen hygiene may well play a role; in one study, the risk of infection was inversely associated with the frequency of using soap to clean the kitchen cutting board (16).

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001764.htm

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Oh dear! Now we find that it's not limited to cow's milk but goat milk as well and fairly recent. Double whammy with campy plus e-coli.

http://outbreakdatabase.com/details/...-2010/state=10

www.coloradodaily.com/out-there/ci_15413639

Martin

REALLY???? Using an apparent ambulance chaser lawyer as a reference???? That is even worse than anyone using wikipedia.

This is all you can find over 30 years????? Goat milk must be an incredibly safe option!!!!

Are you advocating that cats be banned since they can carry Campylobacter???

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www.coloradodaily.com/out-there/ci_15413639


You've been using the same people for reference at time. They are also the sponsor of Real Raw Milk Facts.

I linked to the Colorado Daily newspaper originally. It was also covered by many other interests at the time.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com.heal...53/detail.html

www.dailycamera.com/ci_15413639

http://barfblog.foodsafety.ksu.edu/b...tag/billy-goat

http://www.foodpoisonjournal.com/foo...k-distribution

Two others which you may look for are in Missouri in 2008 and British Columbia in 2001, both also since the previously reported 1983.

There's a pet forum on HT for discussion of any of your cat problems.

Martin