Neighbors Dog

When we lived in a big city a neighbor would walk his dog and let the dog poop in our little garden and yard. One day the dog was either ahead of him or got out and came into our yard while I was out with stinky fish fertilizer. He got a good application and after that no more visits. I would only kill a dog if it was attacking my family or animals.

We went and got two puppies from a guy. He said the neighbor's dog from down the road roams a lot. It came over to his yard and got with his female. When he confronted the neighbor he was told, "Your dog. Your problem." The guy didn't seem mad about it or anything, but did said his female has an appointment with the vet in a week.

If you can't keep your animals on your property, you don't need animals, including dogs. I can understand when an animal gets out, once in a while, but if someone does not even try to keep their animals on their property they are irresponsible and should not have animals.

OK - I've read all the responses - here are some facts - first off - if you really want to get rid of a dog with the least trouble - you poison it - now before you get all bent out of shape - here are some facts - ask any doctor - one of the most painless and easy ways to die is by kidney failure - your body just begins to shut down - no pain - in a couple days your gone - if you give a dog something that effects its kidneys the dog will die in a couple days without having any pain - its more humane than any of the other ways suggested - I know when you suggest poison everybody thinks that a dog would suffer terribly - well it ain't so with kidney failure - and we all have something around the house that will do just that to a dog - you don't even have to worry about SSS - the owner will have to take care of the funeral arrangements - now let me say it again - this is the way to do it if you really want to get rid of a dog without anyone knowing what happened -

JoePa, I just lost a lot of respect for you.

One problem with poison is it is hard to control who gets it! I have seen people die from kidney failure, it did not look like fun to me.

I have taken care of several aging animals with kidney failure and it is so sad.

Why? - did I say anything that is not true ? - if you don't believe me ask a doctor or a vet - would you rather that a person shoot a dog - remember I said that if you really want to get rid of a dog - so at that point an individual has made up his/her mind to do just that - how the question is - how -

Now the fact that you lost a lot of respect for me - how am I ever going to live - without your respect life is nothing but an empty shell - you have ruined my life - woe is me -

A bullet is quick and yes, painless.

We get a lot of dump dogs on our ridge. Makes me angrier than a wet hen. Sometimes, we can help them. Other times, we can't.

Yesterday, someone dumped an ancient, dysplastic dog on our road. Poor thing could barely walk. Had hot spots on his rear. Looked like some neuro damage, too.

People need to be responsible. There are times when you do what you can. Sometimes, it's a run to the shelter. Sometimes, you can take the animal in.

Other times - the really hard, sad times - you have to send the animal along in the most humane possible.

JoePa, a bullet is faster and kinder than poison. Kidney failure IS uncomfortable: nausea, vomiting, pain, weakness, disorientation, confusion. You were misinformed.

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Again, I want to make the point in the most vigorous way possible that kidney failure is NOT a peaceful, painless way to pass.

Nausea, vomiting, confusion, pain, weakness. How is that painless and humane?

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There is some cognitive dissonance going on here. Kidney failure is sometimes referred to as the senior citizen's friend because it is a much gentler death than just about all the natural alternatives. You are trying to make a point, but over-reaching and drawing the wrong tool out of your toolbox to do so. If what you state is fact, then you also state that millions of seniors in the U.S. are subjected needlessly to an inhumane death.

Without getting deep in the euthanasia debate, sudden death incurs a minimum of time in the death process. A "humane" death could be getting a safe dropped on you. It would be messy, and disrespects the state of a physical body that will be worm food or ashes within a short period, but it is "humane."

Taken that way, shooting a dog with a well placed shot is more humane than having it die by kidney failure, which is more prolonged. There is no need to go into the differences to arrive at that conclusion.

FWIW, there are differences in kidney failure as in having them shut down, and trauma to the kidneys leading to death.

Here in the city there is animal control.
Where we moved from if you call about a stray the only reply is, if it comes in your yard shoot it.

I do think Katie misses her friends from out there. Here no other pups can get into her yard!

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We are talking about acute kidney failure due to poisoning (i.e. trauma).

Symptoms
Dogs or cats with acute kidney failure may have a variety of problems. Symptoms of kidney failure include excessive thirst and an excessive volume of urine in the early stages. Later symptoms of acute kidney failure include lethargy, poor or absent appetite, and vomiting.


In severe kidney failure, the amount of urine may actually decrease, or the pet may stop making urine altogether. Stomach or intestinal ulcers may develop which will result in either a black or tarry stool or vomiting of digested blood (which looks like coffee grounds).

http://bluepearlvet.com/acute-renal-kidney-failure/

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I also fail to see your point. Seniors in chronic kidney failure receive palliative treatment. A dog dying from acute kidney failure doesn't get that.

I am well acquainted with the concept of cognitive dissonance, and cannot for the life of me imagine 1.) why you bring that up, and 2.) why you feel the need to rebut whatever I say.

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When we bought our property, I took our dog on a walk, and showed him the boundaries. All I did, was walking him up to each corner, step over, say "Not home." Then, I would take his collar, step back, and say, "Stay home." I pet my dog over and over while we walked along the property line. Every time he stepped over, I would say, "No, Sam, come home." When he was on our side, I would praise him, and pet him. Over the first few days, I caught him stepping over the property line. When he did that, I would chastise him, and call him back.

It took me less than a week to teach Sam to respect his boundaries, without a fence! He will not cross them without permission. I can walk to the neighbors, but Sam will stop right at the property line, and wait for my signal (for him to accompany me).

I am still at a complete loss, but we have managed to do the same with our chickens. They are such silly things, but somehow intelligent enough to understand they are safe only in specific cleared area here (around Sam). A neighbor's dog stopped by to steal a chicken, but Sam taught him to respect the flock. The chicken lost some feathers, but is fine. I don't know what we will do without Sam. He is such a great dog!

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LOL! I guess if I rebut the idea that I rebut whatever you say, you can say "See! You are doing it again!" I've had that circular gotcha pulled on me before. I don't target people for disagreement. I challenge ideas and beliefs irrespective of which pen writes them or which mouth speaks them.

There isn't a lot of palliative treatment needed with kidney failure (shut down). I watched my grandfathers go that way and other than moistening the lips and trying to get comfortable positions there wasn't much to be done.

The dissonance is in stating that kidney failure is both humane and inhumane. That had to be explored. I think you are on the right track in looking at the differences between trauma and shutdown, and I'm looking forward to your pointing those out in more detail in regard to poisoning. Having blown a ureter from a kidney stone, I do know that injured kidneys hurt like heck.