fat, sick and almost dead

Whisperwindkat · #41 02/20/12, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Greetings Kat

I briefly toured your website and it looks pretty extensive, and I hope to revisit when I have an hour to enjoy it.

It sounds like you have me beat in average daily calorie burning by a long shot. Re: thyroid have you done the armpit temperature measurement? I can't explain it without looking it up, nor have I done it. If you'd like the info i'd be glad to check it out. I've never been able to grab a thermometer before moving from bed in the morning.

You don't sound like you have a serious weight issue, but you said you'd do anything in order to lose weight. I have no clue if this will help you, but... daily, for my immune system, intestines and nutrient absorption I eat my breakfast whole grains with kefir cultured milk. 3 or moe times a week also for immune system - I eat a zesty sprout mix.

I have a couple of other thoughts, if you'd be interested PM or ask here.

Peace

Thanks, I am glad you like the blog. I have not done the armpit temp measurement, but I do a temp measurement by mouth with a mercury thermometer which is what Dr. Wilson has recommended (Wilson's Temperature syndrome). I drink a glass of raw milk every morning and when the girl's are in milk then I usually have a glass of homemade raw milk yogurt for lunch. I am always interested in other's thoughts. We tend to follow the Weston Price Foundation when it comes to food, especially me because refined sugars and carbs are a big trigger for fatigue and fibro for me. So I tend to limit them strictly.

Whisperwindkat · #42 02/20/12, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

No on said weight loss was easy. Quite the contrary, IMO.

You seem very active, but how about the food?

Have you ever taken a short food journal, logging everything you eat/drink, including portion sizes, for a couple of days. Tally up the calories with CalorieKing and see how that looks?

Many are very surprised how much calories add up, especiall for portion sizes. I sure was.

Keep up the good work.

I never said weight loss was easy, but it has been easier for me in the past. I don't eat large portions, but I do follow the Weston Price foundation nutrition recommendations. A typical food day for me looks like this, which is today.
Breakfast:
2 eggs
8 oz. glass of raw milk
1/2 cup of pecans
2 slices of ham, or bacon or 2 sausage patties (all homegrown)
1/2 cup of goat cheese
2 cups of coffee, black with honey

Dinner:
4 baby back ribs with a mustard BBQ sauce
1 cup homemade coleslaw
1/2 cup potato salad
1/2 cup of baked beans
1 glass sweet tea

Supper:
Bowl of collards
1 piece of cornbread
8 oz. glass of milk

I drink water throughout the day, very rarely I will have another glass of tea in the evening or a cup of hot tea before bed.

I rarely if ever go back for seconds, my portions are reasonable and my physical activity level far outweighs any that I have had in the past. Since I have chronic fatigue, which I think is due to thyroid issues, and fibromyalgia which I have had all my life watching what I eat is second nature to me. Many things trigger fibro flares and CF crashes and I have to be really careful to avoid those food issues. Fruits, grains, refined sugars, and processed food are things that I really have to watch. thanks, Kat

Rick · #43 02/21/12, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Whisperwindkat

Thanks, I am glad you like the blog. I have not done the armpit temp measurement, but I do a temp measurement by mouth with a mercury thermometer which is what Dr. Wilson has recommended (Wilson's Temperature syndrome). I drink a glass of raw milk every morning and when the girl's are in milk then I usually have a glass of homemade raw milk yogurt for lunch. I am always interested in other's thoughts. We tend to follow the Weston Price Foundation when it comes to food, especially me because refined sugars and carbs are a big trigger for fatigue and fibro for me. So I tend to limit them strictly.

I posted some info at this thead on Vitamin D intake, instead of giving Chewie's thread more stretch marks.

Vitamin D Daily Intake - Who's Right?

If you can allow 20 minutes check out the link on eating for your mitochondria I posted at alternate health forum.

Eating Your Way Back to Health

The actual link is here. If you can't see the video, I'll try to burn it on DVD for you. For you I think it is MUST SEE!

http://m.wimp.com/mindingmitochondria/

Regards.

Whisperwindkat · #44 02/21/12, 03:05 PM

Rick I replied on your other threads. Thanks and blessings, Kat

HermitJohn · #45 02/21/12, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

Agree and disagree.

Agree on the bolded. That the way it need to be.

Disagree completely about the use of the term half starved, or even starvation.

People are fat because they are consuming too many calories. If they go from 6000 calories a day, to 2000 per day, many might want to call it starvation, but in fact that is probably, how many calories they should be consuming daily, anyway.

As you said the problem with diets, is that people drastically lower their caloric intake, lose weight and then they erronously think, they are done and start shoveling in the food again.

Once one lowers their caloric intake, they should keep it low - for the rest of their lives, changing it only when needed, say if they start running marathons, etc. A normal body could do just fine on 2,000 calories per day, forever, depending on the level of physical activity.

Half starved has little meaning IMO, and starvation is when you eat nothing at all.

A constant feeling of hunger is what I am meaning "half starved". Cheap low nutrition, high calorie food doesnt satisfy the body so body keeps insisting you shovel in more of it in an attempt to get the nutrition it wants. If you can live with your body being constantly hungry in order to maintain a particular weight, then more power to you. Very few people can battle that long term unless its out of their control such as being a prison inmate.

Starvation is not only "eating nothing", its when you dont have the nutrition that your body requires in sufficient quantity. Nutrition is MORE THAN CALORIES. Otherwise people could live on just crisco or just bag sugar. You try living on just pure sugar limiting yourself to just enough calories to maintain your weight and tell us how you feel after month or two....

Yvonne's hubby · #46 02/21/12, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Whisperwindkat

A typical food day for me looks like this, which is today.
Breakfast:
2 eggs
8 oz. glass of raw milk
1/2 cup of pecans
2 slices of ham, or bacon or 2 sausage patties (all homegrown)
1/2 cup of goat cheese
2 cups of coffee, black with honey

Dinner:
4 baby back ribs with a mustard BBQ sauce
1 cup homemade coleslaw
1/2 cup potato salad
1/2 cup of baked beans
1 glass sweet tea

Supper:
Bowl of collards
1 piece of cornbread
8 oz. glass of milk

Wow! If I selected from your menu... and ate only what my heart specialist recommends this is what my days meals would look like.
Breakfast:

1/2 cup of pecans

2 cups of coffee, black with honey

Dinner:

1 cup homemade coleslaw

Supper:
Bowl of collards

Pretty sure I would lose weight that way!

MollysMom · #47 02/21/12, 06:41 PM

I thought the truck drivers name was Dave. I think more info about the truck driver can be found on Raw Food Rehab. Plus more on juicing.

plowjockey · #48 02/21/12, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HermitJohn

A constant feeling of hunger is what I am meaning "half starved". Cheap low nutrition, high calorie food doesnt satisfy the body so body keeps insisting you shovel in more of it in an attempt to get the nutrition it wants. If you can live with your body being constantly hungry in order to maintain a particular weight, then more power to you. Very few people can battle that long term unless its out of their control such as being a prison inmate.

Starvation is not only "eating nothing", its when you dont have the nutrition that your body requires in sufficient quantity. Nutrition is MORE THAN CALORIES. Otherwise people could live on just crisco or just bag sugar. You try living on just pure sugar limiting yourself to just enough calories to maintain your weight and tell us how you feel after month or two....

I disagree.

My body does not tell me to eat, my brain does and I have control of my brain, at least sometimes. If I come from work and go out and work in the garge, I don't even think about food. If I sit down at the computer, I will be snacking, within minutes. Years ago I was able to go from fat to running 5 miles a day and eating only (small portions) healthy food. I could have cared less about snacking or extra food. (Not any more)

I never said anything about it being just about "calories", but it is indeed, excess calories, what makes one gain weight.

But really, let be honest about hunger and nutrition. If one is hungry for a snack, they can (usually), either eat a nice big apple, or a bowl of ice cream, with peanuts on top. Both should be able to satisfy ones hunger, but we all know which one we would rather have and which one we will go for. That bowl will be full of ice cream and peanuts.

An apple has 58 colories. A bowl full of vanilla ice cream, with peanuts, will be 1000 calories.

We just refused to be honest with ourselves and our levels of self-control..

Whisperwindkat · #49 02/21/12, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

Wow! If I selected from your menu... and ate only what my heart specialist recommends this is what my days meals would look like.
Breakfast:

1/2 cup of pecans

2 cups of coffee, black with honey

Dinner:

1 cup homemade coleslaw

Supper:
Bowl of collards

Pretty sure I would lose weight that way!

Yeah, right after my thyroid surgery the doctor told me that if I wanted to lose weight then I needed to stick to low fat, low calorie foods. That diet liked to have killed me. I was already tired enough with the chronic fatigue that had set in, but that diet put me almost in a coma. I slept 20 hours a day and no that isn't an exaggeration. My husband took the car keys away from me because I would fall asleep if I tried to drive anywhere. He would have to wake me up and make me eat because I never could even remember if I ate or not. It was a bad bad time, yet the doctor kept saying I was fine with the exception that I must be eating too much fat because my cholesterol numbers were changing. My LDL and triglycerides were rising while my HDL was dropping. I had never had a cholesterol problem. No one in my family history had ever had a cholesterol problem. No family history of heart disease either. I finally got tired of doctors telling me I was fine when I obviously wasn't. Then I discovered the Weston Price foundation. What I learned changed my life. Without Dr. Weston Price's research I would never be able to do the things that I do now. I would still be bedridden. We rarely ever get sick and I used to catch anything and everything. I got to where I didn't want to go to church because everytime I did I caught something. And then of course there was the whole sleep through everything issue that I had. I may not be 100%, but I have never been 100% my whole life. Anyway, sorry I kind of got off on a tangent. My main point is that I gave up on modern day doctoring a long time ago. Blessings, Kat

HermitJohn · #50 02/22/12, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

I disagree.

My body does not tell me to eat, my brain does

Dude, dont know how to break it to you, but your brain is flesh and blood part of your body just like your leg or liver or any other part you care to mention. And everything IS CONNECTED. It works as a SYSTEM. You brain is not some disconnected ethereal cloud in never-never land.

If you are missing some nutrient you are going to crib just like a horse or cow that is missing a nutrient. Humans in this country tend to have relatively free access to food so they shovel in more food in an attempt to satisfy this craving. Other places you might eat dirt or chew on leaves or other unusual things in an attempt to get nutrition you need. Humans arent that different than any other animal. And money does matter. High calorie low nutrition food is CHEAP. Fresh high quality produce and such is $$$$. So guess what, instead of reaching for that $2 apple that was picked way green, artificially ripened, and tastes like sweet saw dust, people are shoveling in the raman noodles and generic fruit loops.

ChristieAcres · #51 02/22/12, 12:40 PM

Most Dr's know very little about how to eat properly, so I would never ask one for advice about it. There is so much misinformation being fed to the public, too. Many folks on here would challenge what they were told by Dr's, and some already have. I certainly can!

Being regularly physically active, eating 6 times/day (3 meals & 2 snacks), and you lose weight in a healthy way (never being hungry). Low carb is the way to go, get off the sugar & processed foods, NEVER eat low fat, nonfat... The Paleo Diet Lifestyle is great! As long as one doesn't suddenly revert to a couch potato, you don't gain the weight back.

Txrider · #52 02/22/12, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by texican

HJ, surely you know what I meant.... starving people don't gain weight... people that exercise off more calories than they gobble down, don't gain weight.

Yeah but some of us burn off 2000 cals just sitting around..

I am one of those, I couldn't gain weight if I tried till I hit about 40 and ate at least 3000 cals a day.. Course I was all manual labor until I was 35 too, and worked hard.

And even now at 52 it doesn't take much physical work to burn off more than I eat, though I eat only half what I did when I was younger now.

Whisperwindkat · #53 02/22/12, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Txrider

Yeah but some of us burn off 2000 cals just sitting around..

I am one of those, I couldn't gain weight if I tried till I hit about 40 and ate at least 3000 cals a day.. Course I was all manual labor until I was 35 too, and worked hard.

And even now at 52 it doesn't take much physical work to burn off more than I eat, though I eat only half what I did when I was younger now.

That is my husband. Ya'll are disgusting! LOL!

texican · #54 02/22/12, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HermitJohn

You are the one suggesting death camps and starvation were the answer.

To lose weight one needs to change ones lifestyle FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE or its just another yo-yo diet. Starvation is not a practical ongoing lifestyle option. Some may have will power to do it temporarily, even long enough to lose significant weight, but not to commit to being half starved the rest of their life unless as I say, they have anorexia or somebody else has complete control over their life like in a prison.

Sorry for the miscommunicatranslation...
I used death camps not as an answer, but as an example... believe it or not, there is a difference. If you don't eat, you will lose weight... people in death camps did not get to eat, and they starved, slowly to death... those that survived were thin. There are people in this world who can't/won't acknowledge the physical fact that if you eat more than you exercise, you'll get fat. And not acknowledging the fact, they simply eat, don't exercise, and get even fatter.

I have a 19 year old niece, that's currently 'dieting'. Saw her last week at work... everytime she went thru my sisters office, she opened a snack container and got a handful of chocolates. She's going to hit 300 by the end of the year, if she doesn't stop.

HermitJohn · #55 02/23/12, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by texican

everytime she went thru my sisters office, she opened a snack container and got a handful of chocolates. She's going to hit 300 by the end of the year, if she doesn't stop.

Chocolates are a high calorie, low nutrition food. Her body is craving something, but not getting it through junk food so it keeps sending signal to eat more in order to try and get that nutrition.

Sure she is going to get fat eating loads of junk, but if she doesnt eat, she is going to have to constantly fight hunger signals. This wont happen if she looks for high nutrition foods without the calories or at least discovers whatever nutrient her body is looking for.

Before high profit junk foods were common, your average persons main concern was getting ENOUGH calories. Only wealthy people got fat cause they were only ones that could afford an abundance of high calorie foods. Thats why back then the preference was for chubby women. Being fat showed you had money.

Back then most food was made from local commodities, not preprocessed by some company and laced heavily with HFCS and hydrogenated fats and stuff only a chemistry professor would recognize. Sugar was expensive, it was a LUXURY. same with any packaged processed food.

ErinP · #56 02/23/12, 07:47 AM

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Only wealthy people got fat cause they were only ones that could afford an abundance of high calorie foods. Thats why back then the preference was for chubby women. Being fat showed you had money.

That's not entirely true. Or at least not since about the 1200s...

There have always been populations and people within other populations who are fat. I can't remember the source off the top of my head, but a traveling nurse at the turn of the (last) century in New York commented how strange it was that the Irish tended to be fat. Even though they were so very poor.

But then, the Irish lived on potatoes...That era's cheap, accessible starch.

mnn2501 · #57 02/23/12, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lorichristie

Most Dr's know very little about how to eat properly, so I would never ask one for advice about it. .

Amen to that

GeorgiaGirl · #58 02/23/12, 05:45 PM

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Amen to that

Double Amen

plowjockey · #59 02/23/12, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by texican

I have a 19 year old niece, that's currently 'dieting'. Saw her last week at work... everytime she went thru my sisters office, she opened a snack container and got a handful of chocolates. She's going to hit 300 by the end of the year, if she doesn't stop.

Denial is a major component in obesity. A lot of it is just food addiction. people like to think they are eating right but they are usually not.

If the chocolates were not there. she'd survive just fine. Since they were there and she knew they were there, why not?

It's just a handful.

Forerunner · #60 02/23/12, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by texican

There'd have to be toothpicks and tape holding my eyes open, and me zip tied to a chair, to watch such a *movie*.

Anyone wanna lose weight?
Eat Less, Exercise More.
Still not losing... repeat above, but this time, cut out 110% of all the snacks... and go out and chop wood, dig ditches, or weed the garden, all by hand.
It is an undeniable law of Physics... matter cannot be created out of nothing.... you burn more than you consume, you will get thin.

There were no 'waddlers' at the WWII death camps. None.

I have seen, firsthand, people who could "never lose weight"...."gained weight just thinking about food", etc. lose 100 pounds in less than a year, dropping just a few calories from their normal intake and upping the exercise/.work regimen to "normal" levels, from abnormally low.....

I have also seen people lose interest in such endeavors and regain almost all that they lost.

It IS about caloric intake vs. workload...... with a smidgen (or a truckload) of attitude thrown in for good measure.