fat, sick and almost dead

luvrulz · #21 02/19/12, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by solidwoods

I purchased the Champion juicer last year and we love it. It's built to last a lifetime.
It gets to stay out on the counter. We purchase fruits on sale and what a treat the juice is.
I'd like to find recipes for the pulp, like jam, marmalade, pie filling.
I re-run the pulp through and get just a little more juice out of it.
jim

Love, love, LOVE my Champion juicer!!! Makes quick work of maters or grapes, blackberries - anything I feed it. Found one used on ebay, just like my Vita mix - wouldn't do without either one around here!

HermitJohn · #22 02/19/12, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by texican

HJ, surely you know what I meant.... starving people don't gain weight...

Especially when they are captive at point of a gun and fed meager rations guaranteed to lead to starvation death even if no other violence is perpetuated. Same with the victims of the Batan death march. Nobody can just "live on the air in Cincinatti".... No food means your body eats itself. Calories are necessary.

On other hand few people have the self disipline to actually starve themselves to death with out machine guns pointed at them, unless they are anorexic.... Are you suggesting mental illness is the cure for fat? A chain of "Anorexia R Us" franchises?

familyman888 · #23 02/19/12, 04:49 PM

proper nutrition...

GeorgiaGirl · #24 02/19/12, 06:59 PM

I own the Champion and the Green Star juicers. Love fresh veggie juice. Extremely healthy for you. I follow this "lifestyle." www.hacres.com
I love visiting this place. Have taken several of their Friday night cooking classes.

plowjockey · #25 02/19/12, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by texican

HJ, surely you know what I meant.... starving people don't gain weight... people that exercise off more calories than they gobble down, don't gain weight.

The problem is, that you are not telling people what they want to hear.

Never mind, that we probably eat 10 times as much, as our pioneer ancestors lived on and perform 1/10th of the physical labor, they did.

It just has to be a metabolism, or sugar, or a genetic problem, so the only way to fix it, is with some type of pill, or other magic elixor.

We will then be model thin, plus still be able to sit on the couch and shovel in Doritos.

ErinP · #26 02/19/12, 08:33 PM

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Never mind, that we probably eat 10 times as much, as our pioneer ancestors lived on and perform 1/10th of the physical labor, they did.

Actually, this probably isn't true. Most people do not eat three big squares anymore. Or even two... The physical labor vs. volume of food is probably fairly similar.

What we DO have, on the other hand, is an overabundance of cheap, easy starches and sugars. (Which our ancestors did NOT have).

plowjockey · #27 02/19/12, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ErinP

Actually, this probably isn't true. Most people do not eat three big squares anymore. Or even two... The physical labor vs. volume of food is probably fairly similar.

Complete nonsense.

Whisperwindkat · #28 02/19/12, 09:16 PM

Well, let's see. I take care of all the housework, all the farm work, don't eat a lot of sugar or refined starches. I do all my gardening by hand along with most of my other farm chores. Today's chores were to muck out all the stalls down to bare clay and re-bed them, then I double dug two more large beds and filled them with compost, I also did 2 loads of laundry and hung those out on the line, I fed all the critters, cleaned the bathrooms, made up the beds, folded and put away the laundry, swept the kitchen floor, and put ant poison out on the ant beds in the front pasture (walking the pasture). I eat three meals a day, no snacks. I drink mostly water, no soft drinks, limit 3 cups of and one glass of sweet tea at dinner. However, despite the fact that the doctors say there is nothing wrong with my thyroid I keep a constant body temp of 97.4. In other words I am in a constant state of mild hypothermia. But it appears that to some of you I am just a lazy couch potato that eats too much. Just food for thought....sometimes there are other reasons besides over eating, eating the wrong foods, or lack of exercise for a weight problem. No I am not overly obese, however I would kill to get rid of the extra 35 lbs. that I carry around.

ChristieAcres · #29 02/19/12, 09:32 PM

Since my ancestors were primarily farmers, they had plenty to eat, ate a wide diversity of foods, which included meats, veggies, nuts & fruits. One lived from 1800 to 1900 and was one healthy hardworking guy! But like some have written, diet, and even lifestyle isn't always the answer. For most, it seems to be, but not for all. Yes, we have different body types, genetics, and metabolisms. In addition, also different health issues. I eat six times/day on average, an omnivore diet, and it is widely diverse in food choices. I am regularly physically active, don't need to lose any weight, but that is simply me. In my early 40s, my metabolism slowed, and I did have to make different choices in foods (got off sugar completely, am on a lower carb diet, no processed foods, and that about covers that). It had taken 2 years for me to gain 20#s, but that was gone the month I changed my food choices. I drink water, a little coffee, Kefir Smoothies, very little milk, and a variety of teas. I don't count calories, eat butter, cook with lard, and am never hungry. Juicing? That is a rare thing as I prefer to get my fiber from eating whole fruits/veggies.

willow_girl · #30 02/19/12, 09:40 PM

I work like a horse, but then I eat like one, too. As a result, I am fat.

One of my clients has taken up the juicing fad. All I know is that she sure does make a mess of her kitchen!

Oldcountryboy · #31 02/19/12, 09:45 PM

Wow, what a kowinkydink! Just before I sat down to the PC, I made a banana fruit smoothie. I was wanting something sweet so I thought I'd try to make a smoothie. I got the mixer out and throwed in a handfull of crushed ice, poured a bit of milk in it, throwed in a peeled banana. Then to make it a bit sweeter, I put in a package of truvia and sprinkled cinammon over it. Then blended it all together. It is deeeeeelicious!

ErinP · #32 02/19/12, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

Complete nonsense.

Well yes, it's readily apparent you already have your theory and facts or the lack thereof will have no influence on it.

texican · #33 02/20/12, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by HermitJohn

Especially when they are captive at point of a gun and fed meager rations guaranteed to lead to starvation death even if no other violence is perpetuated. Same with the victims of the Batan death march. Nobody can just "live on the air in Cincinatti".... No food means your body eats itself. Calories are necessary.

On other hand few people have the self disipline to actually starve themselves to death with out machine guns pointed at them, unless they are anorexic.... Are you suggesting mental illness is the cure for fat? A chain of "Anorexia R Us" franchises?

A little too much caffeine today?
Let me boil this down.... forget about death camps.... starving, all the anorexia.

Sir.
IF you eat 5000 calories and burn 5100 calories each day, eventually you'll starve.
IF you eat 5000 calories and burn 5000 calories each day, you're a bad mammajamma and I'd love to have you working on my place, because you've probably got extra large muscles.
IF you eat 5000 calories and burn 2000 calories each day, you're going to get fat as a killing hog, in short order.

Is it really really really that difficult a concept to understand?

Eat a lot, work a lot, no problem...
Eat a lot, sit on your buttocks all day, typing, or using a remote control, and you're going to have some weight issues.

As far as juicing...
Wouldn't 'one' actually burn more calories if they had to go to the trouble of chewing their food? Or, does juicing food, take calories out of the drink, and the equation? Does a peach have more or less calories if I eat it raw or juice it? Sans juicing, at least I burn two or three calories more by chopping my gums, over simply swigging...

Rick · #34 02/20/12, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Whisperwindkat

Well, let's see. I take care of all the housework, all the farm work, don't eat a lot of sugar or refined starches. I do all my gardening by hand along with most of my other farm chores. Today's chores were to muck out all the stalls down to bare clay and re-bed them, then I double dug two more large beds and filled them with compost, I also did 2 loads of laundry and hung those out on the line, I fed all the critters, cleaned the bathrooms, made up the beds, folded and put away the laundry, swept the kitchen floor, and put ant poison out on the ant beds in the front pasture (walking the pasture). I eat three meals a day, no snacks. I drink mostly water, no soft drinks, limit 3 cups of and one glass of sweet tea at dinner. However, despite the fact that the doctors say there is nothing wrong with my thyroid I keep a constant body temp of 97.4. In other words I am in a constant state of mild hypothermia. But it appears that to some of you I am just a lazy couch potato that eats too much. Just food for thought....sometimes there are other reasons besides over eating, eating the wrong foods, or lack of exercise for a weight problem. No I am not overly obese, however I would kill to get rid of the extra 35 lbs. that I carry around.

Greetings Kat

I briefly toured your website and it looks pretty extensive, and I hope to revisit when I have an hour to enjoy it.

It sounds like you have me beat in average daily calorie burning by a long shot. Re: thyroid have you done the armpit temperature measurement? I can't explain it without looking it up, nor have I done it. If you'd like the info i'd be glad to check it out. I've never been able to grab a thermometer before moving from bed in the morning.

You don't sound like you have a serious weight issue, but you said you'd do anything in order to lose weight. I have no clue if this will help you, but... daily, for my immune system, intestines and nutrient absorption I eat my breakfast whole grains with kefir cultured milk. 3 or moe times a week also for immune system - I eat a zesty sprout mix.

I have a couple of other thoughts, if you'd be interested PM or ask here.

Peace

HermitJohn · #35 02/20/12, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by texican

A little too much caffeine today?
Let me boil this down.... forget about death camps.... starving, all the anorexia.

Sir.
IF you eat 5000 calories and burn 5100 calories each day, eventually you'll starve.
IF you eat 5000 calories and burn 5000 calories each day, you're a bad mammajamma and I'd love to have you working on my place, because you've probably got extra large muscles.
IF you eat 5000 calories and burn 2000 calories each day, you're going to get fat as a killing hog, in short order.

Is it really really really that difficult a concept to understand?

Eat a lot, work a lot, no problem...
Eat a lot, sit on your buttocks all day, typing, or using a remote control, and you're going to have some weight issues.
.

You are the one suggesting death camps and starvation were the answer.

To lose weight one needs to change ones lifestyle FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE or its just another yo-yo diet. Starvation is not a practical ongoing lifestyle option. Some may have will power to do it temporarily, even long enough to lose significant weight, but not to commit to being half starved the rest of their life unless as I say, they have anorexia or somebody else has complete control over their life like in a prison.

plowjockey · #36 02/20/12, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ErinP

Well yes, it's readily apparent you already have your theory and facts or the lack thereof will have no influence on it.

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Actually, this probably isn't true. Most people do not eat three big squares anymore. Or even two... The physical labor vs. volume of food is probably fairly similar

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No offense, but theory has nothing to do with it. You response directly contradicted fact.

American eat 25% more than they did, even in 1970. It's hard to even imagine that our ancestors, were big eaters, since they to grow almost all of their own food, using primitive standards and had to make it last a whole year.

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ERS data suggest
that average daily calorie intake increased
by 24.5 percent, or about 530
calories, between 1970 and 2000

http://www.usda.gov/factbook/chapter2.pdf

Concerning activity, especially the typical child, one just needs to look around.

Now days a child wakes and has a greasy microwave breakfast sandwich (cereal/milk too uncool), rides the bus/car to school, which might not even have a Phys Ed class. Ride home in the afternoon, TV/video games for 3hrs, a high fat dinner of heat-and-eat and the 3 hrs of tv/video games, before bed.

If one looks anywhere, they will almost never see kids playing street basketball, riding bikes or jumping rope. The kids don't even come outside any more.

Same with adults.

Our Pioneer farmers, stumbled behind a plow horse from sunup/sundown. Now farmers can drive their huge tractors ,with two fingers, with the only real workout, climbing in and out of the climate controlled cab.

How many adults now sit behind computer terminals at work now, verses installing truck axles, or swinging a sledge hammer all day?

Your are probably right about the excess sugars having an impact, but IMO, take out the sugar, still eat more calories than you burn up through activity, and there will still be weight problems.

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Although multiple factors can account
for weight gain, the basic cause is an excess
of energy intake over energy expenditure.
In general, Americans’ activity
levels have not kept pace with their increase
in calorie consumption. Many
people apparently are oblivious to the
number of calories they consume. Calories
consistently rank toward the bottom
of consumer nutrition concerns, according
to the annual national probability
surveys

plowjockey · #37 02/20/12, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HermitJohn

To lose weight one needs to change ones lifestyle FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE or its just another yo-yo diet. Starvation is not a practical ongoing lifestyle option. Some may have will power to do it temporarily, even long enough to lose significant weight, but not to commit to being half starved the rest of their life unless as I say, they have anorexia or somebody else has complete control over their life like in a prison.

Agree and disagree.

Agree on the bolded. That the way it need to be.

Disagree completely about the use of the term half starved, or even starvation.

People are fat because they are consuming too many calories. If they go from 6000 calories a day, to 2000 per day, many might want to call it starvation, but in fact that is probably, how many calories they should be consuming daily, anyway.

As you said the problem with diets, is that people drastically lower their caloric intake, lose weight and then they erronously think, they are done and start shoveling in the food again.

Once one lowers their caloric intake, they should keep it low - for the rest of their lives, changing it only when needed, say if they start running marathons, etc. A normal body could do just fine on 2,000 calories per day, forever, depending on the level of physical activity.

Half starved has little meaning IMO, and starvation is when you eat nothing at all.

ErinP · #38 02/20/12, 03:16 PM

I think you're misunderstanding my post. I said volume, not calories.
I also said the plethora of cheap, quick starches and sugars are the problem.

We consume WAY more sugar (as well as starches) than we ever have. I would venture to guess it's an easy 500 calories more per day... Yet we all know that the least filling of the macro-nutrients are carbs.
So we just eat more...

plowjockey · #39 02/20/12, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Whisperwindkat

Well, let's see. I take care of all the housework, all the farm work, don't eat a lot of sugar or refined starches. I do all my gardening by hand along with most of my other farm chores. Today's chores were to muck out all the stalls down to bare clay and re-bed them, then I double dug two more large beds and filled them with compost, I also did 2 loads of laundry and hung those out on the line, I fed all the critters, cleaned the bathrooms, made up the beds, folded and put away the laundry, swept the kitchen floor, and put ant poison out on the ant beds in the front pasture (walking the pasture). I eat three meals a day, no snacks. I drink mostly water, no soft drinks, limit 3 cups of and one glass of sweet tea at dinner. However, despite the fact that the doctors say there is nothing wrong with my thyroid I keep a constant body temp of 97.4. In other words I am in a constant state of mild hypothermia. But it appears that to some of you I am just a lazy couch potato that eats too much. Just food for thought....sometimes there are other reasons besides over eating, eating the wrong foods, or lack of exercise for a weight problem. No I am not overly obese, however I would kill to get rid of the extra 35 lbs. that I carry around.

No on said weight loss was easy. Quite the contrary, IMO.

You seem very active, but how about the food?

Have you ever taken a short food journal, logging everything you eat/drink, including portion sizes, for a couple of days. Tally up the calories with CalorieKing and see how that looks?

Many are very surprised how much calories add up, especiall for portion sizes. I sure was.

Keep up the good work.

Marilyn · #40 02/20/12, 03:31 PM

For those that choose to juice a lot of their veggie intake, save the pulp and freeze for later use. It makes AMAZING meatloaf when added to your normal gr. beef recipe, and is also a very tasty thickener for beef stew.

Content probably matters. My favorite juice includes carrots, celery, green onion, beets, parsley, cucumber, green bell pepper and an apple to sweeten things up just a bit. The juice looks so bad that I like to put it in a travel mug for consumption, but it sure is tasty.