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02/24/12, 11:29 AM
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That V-8 conversion looks like a tranny job waiting to happen! They weren't designed for that much power.
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02/24/12, 02:56 PM
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Dang, handy as I thought u to be, I woulda thought you would have a good mag if u had to crank one. My mags are GOOD I have one on the Case, and maybe one on the H, I dont know bout the Cub in 50. One on the 30 A JD that im working one, and I dont know what I got one the 50 B JD
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You could get a rebuilt mag that would fit it for it for a mere $200 or maybe it was $300, crazy amount of money to invest in a $200 tractor, couldnt get parts for the magneto or at least I couldnt back then. No IHC dealers in that area and be amazing if they could order it. Probably could find them now on internet, but didnt have that back then. And it wasnt a farming area, not like were are tractor junkyards lining the hiways.
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02/24/12, 03:08 PM
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That V-8 conversion looks like a tranny job waiting to happen! They weren't designed for that much power.
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Depends how you use that power. I personally never understood wanting a V8 conversion in a working tractor. If I were converting older tractor, I'd want to splice in a second transmission. Old tractors didnt have creeper gears. Ok out plowing the back 40, but lack of slow gearing means they dont make great utility tractors.
Also tractor gas engines were usually governed to max at like 1500rpm. Putting an automotive engine in that has peak torque at like 2800rpm doesnt make sense unless you can gear it down. You want it to match rpm characteristics of original engine so it works well with existing gearing. If you didnt want to use a second tranny, then at least use an engine like Ford 300-6 that develops peak torque at 1800rpm. At least that would be lot closer to original tractor engine. Just be LONG in a tractor that originally had a 4cyl.
In something like a Ford N, I would try to use a 4cyl car engine mated to 4spd granny gear truck transmission and mate that transmission to the tractor's transmission.
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02/26/12, 07:30 AM
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i had an ollie 88 with a V8 dodge in it!! was some wild power! cracked the frame when it was 15 years running by hitting a rock with a snowplow blade. wrecked a Fordson Major N that had a 351 cleveland that one was a rough terrain forlft.
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02/26/12, 07:32 AM
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Had an F12 on rubber when I lived in Michigan that I gave $200 for. No bouncier than any other tractor. .
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my W12 was on steel!
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02/26/12, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rambler
The N has come back down in price a bit, but for half a decade or so, people were asking five grand, and was hard to find even a beater that would sell for less than three grand.
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That is very true for this area too.
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02/26/12, 01:03 PM
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Round 2 one side or the other here
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02/26/12, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tad
That V-8 conversion looks like a tranny job waiting to happen! They weren't designed for that much power.
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That flathead V8 only puts out 60 horsepower, fully reved up. Back when the 9N was designed, they didn't spend much time seeing how cheap they could make something and have it still hold up past the waranty. I guess that's why there are still so many around.
Anytime you increase the power, you increase the strain on the whole drivetrain. But, I've also seen tractors of all brands survive behind modified V8s at tractor pulls.
I think a 9N with enough horsepower to operate a square bailer while pulling a wagon of hay would make it a lot more useful.
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02/27/12, 05:01 AM
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A cousin of my fathers had an old ford tractor and for the life of me I can't remember what it was. It was painted orange and it had dual tires in the back but they were very short tires not like farm tires. I don't know if it was something factory or something he built but it had a school bus transmission bolted to the ford motor and would do a good 35-40mph. Has any one else heard of such a thing? He sold it when I was 10 or so and died in his mid-50's so I can't ask him what it was.
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02/27/12, 08:40 AM
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A cousin of my fathers had an old ford tractor and for the life of me I can't remember what it was. It was painted orange and it had dual tires in the back but they were very short tires not like farm tires. I don't know if it was something factory or something he built but it had a school bus transmission bolted to the ford motor and would do a good 35-40mph. Has any one else heard of such a thing? He sold it when I was 10 or so and died in his mid-50's so I can't ask him what it was.
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sounds very much like a worthington. you can ask over on yesterdays tractors, they have quite a large data base of pix.
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yup. Either that or a doodlebug
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02/28/12, 04:46 AM
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I think a 9N with enough horsepower to operate a square bailer while pulling a wagon of hay would make it a lot more useful.
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You must live in flat country, I don't care if the tires are loaded I would be nervous pulling a loaded hay wagon behind a 8N much less a baler too.
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02/28/12, 04:51 AM
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Ford Major gets the gold star! I just looked on oldfordtractors.com and they had a picture of a worthington G, orange, dual rear tires and first gear was 6mph and high gear was 40 mph. It said they had a turning radius of 5 1/2 feet. I bet that was a fun little unit to play with!
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02/28/12, 06:29 AM
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I have no doubt if one put dolly wheels on the tongue, they could pull any small square bailer made todaym and that over somewhat rolling ground. I wouldnt think it would have any problem pulling a hay WAGON. NOT a trailer.
Dearborn Machine Co used to supply Ford with impliments. I have seen a 40s/50s Dearborn square bailer, and it was HUGE. I think that VERY few tractors of the AB JD, C H IHC, WC WD AC, 60 79 Oliver, R MM 44 MH RC SC Case could pull it over ground like where I came from
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