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Old 02/09/12, 11:13 AM
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Many of the people discussing DE on this thread have tried it.
Some have had success. Some have had failures.
Why should the thread be for only those who have had success?
It's one thing to post your experience of it not working when you tried it for worming your chickens. It's another to make broad statements that it cannot possibly work for anything anyone wants to use it for.
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Old 02/09/12, 01:25 PM
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There you go assuming that it's inert. Maybe it isn't. Your links are all about worms in livestock. Some people did make claims about worming animals with DE, but you're responding to my post about its use in humans for non-parasitic conditions. And no offense, but you're really not qualified in that area. Highly respected medical doctors who have published thousands of studies in peer-reviewed journals have a lot more authority.
I'm not "asssuming" anything.

Silicon Dioxide is an inert substance, and THAT is what makes up about 90% of DE

So show the "thousands of studies" that say conclusively DE cures everything
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Old 02/09/12, 01:30 PM
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All I'm saying is I get my medical information from medical doctors. If I have a question about sheep, I'll ask a sheep farmer.
LOL

Yet you ignore the MD's and DVM's who did studies and say it doesn't work at all
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So show the "thousands of studies" that say conclusively DE cures everything
I never made such a claim. The thousands of studies I referenced were in regard to the qualifications of the researchers who did the one study I did post.
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LOL

Yet you ignore the MD's and DVM's who did studies and say it doesn't work at all
I haven't seen any of those studies yet, except the ones you posted about it being used for worming.
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I've talked about this thread with others who take DE. They just laughed and said they all know naysayers and just ignore them. I told them there's always some who will ask me privately about taking DE for some condition they have. And they all thank me for being able to get rid of the condition. And it's happened here. That's why I talk about DE.

No, I won't tell you who. Their privacy is important. If they want to tell you, they will. In the past, I've seen some gloat while telling naysayers on that forum how wrong they are. Some still don't believe them. So be it. At least those folks are free from the condition.
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I had never even heard of people taking this stuff before I read this thread, but I'm considering trying it myself now. I'll probably monitor my renal function just to be sure it's safe, but I don't see any reason not to give it a go. It's cheap and readily available.
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Old 02/09/12, 06:48 PM
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And I tell people my experience so their animals don't have to suffer. Friends don't let friends do DE! Or at least not to rely on it! Reminds me of a joke.

The Psychiatrist was escorting a patient from one Psychiatric Hospital to another. They were travelling by train, and the Psychiatrist was intrigued to see the patient tearing up bits of paper and throwing them out of the window.

“What are you doing that for?” asked the Psychiatrist.

“It’s to keep the elephants away !” answered the patient.

“But there are no elephants in Surrey,” pointed out the Psychiatrist.

“Effective, isn’t it?” was the logical answer.
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Old 02/09/12, 08:34 PM
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Only one ...this thread has been interesting in the amount of people offended by those who like & use DE.....
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not "offended" at all

I'm just presenting facts to counter the fiction.

If reality offends anyone, that's their problem
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And I tell people my experience so their animals don't have to suffer. Friends don't let friends do DE! Or at least not to rely on it!
I appreciate you sharing your experience. I'll keep it in mind with my own livestock.
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DE has been used for thousands of years, its uses handed down by word of mouth. I found out about it about 35 years ago. Wish I had known about it when my dad was alive; he could have lived longer.

World Minerals owns most of the DE deposits in the U.S. Perma-Guard is their largest dealer. They ship all over the world. Since they can't make claims, they go by testimonials.


=== poster stated that DE cured everything ===


Not me. I stated that DE prevents, reverses, cures most incurable diseases.
I've seen it and I've heard it from different folks.
I wouldn't want to go back to the conditions I was living with. And I certainly don't want what my family has put in my genes -- cancer, diabetes, macular degeneration, and who knows what else.

I do love that after wearing glasses and contact lenses for over 50 years, they are no longer needed for near or distance. Eye doctor wrote down my RX on his pad and I almost fell out of the chair -- 20/20 in one eye, 20/30 in the other. My drivers license says 'no restrictions' and I'm 72. I can read a map or any small print holding it at a normal distance, not with outstretched arms.

My 93 year old mom, 4'10" and 85 pounds fell. The doctor couldn't figure out why she didn't break anything. She looked up at him and said, "it's because I'm taking the stuff that you told me wouldn't do me any good." And then she walked away. Yep, takes DE. She needs no prescriptions or medications.
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The above post is an example showing why people take the time to try to show the truth about DE.
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The above post is an example showing why people take the time to try to show the truth about DE.
he may not have proof that it helped, but no one also has proof to show it didn't.

just because you find it hard to believe, does not make it so in his personal experience.

and for those of you who need "proof" or studies that DE is at least considered harmless and doesn't cause renal failure, lung diseases, delusions, or UFO's to visit, look to the FDA who approved it as an additive to food for the public's consumption.
I'll bet many of you have foods in your pantry with DE in it right now, unless you grow and produce all your own foods, especially grains.
I dunno why, but I sure find that funny after reading some of the posts on here.
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he may not have proof that it helped, but no one also has proof to show it didn't.

just because you find it hard to believe, does not make it so in his personal experience.

and for those of you who need "proof" or studies that DE is at least considered harmless and doesn't cause renal failure, lung diseases, delusions, or UFO's to visit, look to the FDA who approved it as an additive to food for the public's consumption.
I'll bet many of you have foods in your pantry with DE in it right now, unless you grow and produce all your own foods, especially grains.
I dunno why, but I sure find that funny after reading some of the posts on here.
Couple of things that might help you.

He isn't a he.
DE is added to many foods, medicines, and grains.
It might help to check why DE is added to these products.
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The above post is an example showing why people take the time to try to show the truth about DE.
I agree with you on that. I'm very skeptical that DE can do all the things Rogo claims, but I also am not even remotely convinced that it's completely useless. And what's the harm in giving it a try if you're going to die anyway? At 29 years old, I have had a type of cancer for over five years that will almost certainly kill me eventually. I have gone through conventional treatments only to get more sick. A few years ago I decided against doing any more of the currently available conventional treatments, and I have long outlived the average of patients who undergo those conventional treatments. If I've already decided not to accept the medical "cures" there's really not much risk in throwing a little diatomaceous earth at the cancer. Maybe it will help, maybe it won't. Obviously, that route isn't for everyone and I would not advise anyone to rely on DE to save their life.

But my whole point is that in science we use reason and balance to consider evidence. Rarely will you hear scientists make broad absolute statements. They're always hedging. People claiming without proof that something does nothing are just as wrong as people who claim without proof that it cures everything.
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Couple of things that might help you.

He isn't a he.
DE is added to many foods, medicines, and grains.
It might help to check why DE is added to these products.

hard to tell someone's gender on here at times, my apologies to Rogo.

and I know why DE is added to foods, but alot of folks don't know many ready made foods contain DE.

I mentioned it to point out to the one's who are claiming catastrophic health effects from ingesting it that they too are probably eating it, just not aware and on purpose.

Those who are claiming that DE will cause horrible side effects are scare mongering without proof just as they accuse those who claim benefits without major studies and proof.
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If you want to know how to take DE or how to feed it to your critters, drop me a note. Put DE in the Subject line.

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Old 02/10/12, 12:34 PM
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Those who are claiming that DE will cause horrible side effects are scare mongering without proof just as they accuse those who claim benefits without major studies and proof.
Who said anything about "side effects"?

It's INERT.
It doesn't DO anything

Ask yourself this:

IF DE has such wonderful benefits, WHY is it that no one has done the research to PROVE it?

Those who claim it works offer "proof" in the form of a "study" done over 20 years ago that only concludes "more testing is needed".

WHY hasn't anyone done that testing if it REALLY showed so much potential?

(The answer is it doesn't DO anything at all, other than kill some insects)

It's just simple logic
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Who said anything about "side effects"?

It's INERT.
It doesn't DO anything

Ask yourself this:

IF DE has such wonderful benefits, WHY is it that no one has done the research to PROVE it?

Those who claim it works offer "proof" in the form of a "study" done over 20 years ago that only concludes "more testing is needed".

WHY hasn't anyone done that testing if it REALLY showed so much potential?

(The answer is it doesn't DO anything at all, other than kill some insects)

It's just simple logic
I think naturelover said it will cause kidney problems. That's the only side effect I've seen anyone mention, but I don't remember if she included a source for that. As for the rest of your post, it does seem like a logical conclusion, but logical doesn't always equal true in this world. There are many reasons that a lot of potentially useful things aren't studied. To each his own.

For the record, I haven't claimed that DE does anything. I have no way of knowing if it does. My only contention has been that MAYBE it does, and the only clinical trial I could find on DE said the same thing.
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