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02/08/12, 10:02 PM
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You don't need a "study" to prove an INERT substance has no effect,
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There you go assuming that it's inert. Maybe it isn't. Your links are all about worms in livestock. Some people did make claims about worming animals with DE, but you're responding to my post about its use in humans for non-parasitic conditions. And no offense, but you're really not qualified in that area. Highly respected medical doctors who have published thousands of studies in peer-reviewed journals have a lot more authority.
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02/08/12, 10:42 PM
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I have never seen so much negativity on a forum thread. Makes me wonder if those who are so negative are in a field competing with DE. I know doctors, vets, pharmaceutical companies, pharmacists, chemicals companies, etc. don't want us using DE. Perhaps they're in one of those fields.
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02/09/12, 05:48 AM
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The negativity could be because people are claiming that DE cures terminal diseases when there has never been an iota of proof that it does. Declarations of near miraculous curing with absolutely no evidence smacks of snake oil salesmen and that irritates many people, including myself.
Imagine a mammal inhaling all of this thousands sharp edges, especially Crystalline silica because it can cause silicosis.
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02/09/12, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Irish Pixie
The negativity could be because people are claiming that DE cures terminal diseases when there has never been an iota of proof that it does. Declarations of near miraculous curing with absolutely no evidence smacks of snake oil salesmen and that irritates many people, including myself.
Imagine a mammal inhaling all of this thousands sharp edges, especially Crystalline silica because it can cause silicosis.
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Particularly when those of us reading the thread either have a loved one with a non-curable disease or have one ourselves.
Ditto. Reminds me of an informercial.  And I seriously doubt there is some big plan to cover up the 'fact' that DE cures so many ills- particularly without any... wait for it.... PROOF. Paranoia can run rampant out there.....
All those silly, silly doctors out there.... amassing all those thousands of dollars in student debt and causing all those who suffer such pain and monetary issues... when all they need to do is prescribe a spoonful of dirt a day. Shame on them.
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02/09/12, 06:31 AM
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Methinks this thread has run it's gammot.
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02/09/12, 06:41 AM
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Particularly when those of us reading the thread either have a loved one with a non-curable disease or have one ourselves.
Ditto. Reminds me of an informercial.  And I seriously doubt there is some big plan to cover up the 'fact' that DE cures so many ills- particularly without any... wait for it.... PROOF. Paranoia can run rampant out there.....
All those silly, silly doctors out there.... amassing all those thousands of dollars in student debt and causing all those who suffer such pain and monetary issues... when all they need to do is prescribe a spoonful of dirt a day. Shame on them.
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Exactly. All those silly, silly Veterinarians too.
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02/09/12, 07:11 AM
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What folks keep overlooking here is, no one here is trying to sell you a product.
You can move to a new thread as simply/quickly as you can change the channel when infomercials come on. Just sayin'
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02/09/12, 07:24 AM
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Some "folks" like proof with a statement that DE cures terminal illnesses, we're silly that way. Seriously, someone could read that DE cures AIDS and cancer and actually believe it. It's my duty to dispell the insanity.  The "pro DEers" can turn the channel (so to speak) as well. I guess the thread hasn't run it's gamut yet.
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02/09/12, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Irish Pixie
The negativity could be because people are claiming that DE cures terminal diseases when there has never been an iota of proof that it does. Declarations of near miraculous curing with absolutely no evidence smacks of snake oil salesmen and that irritates many people, including myself.
Imagine a mammal inhaling all of this thousands sharp edges, especially Crystalline silica because it can cause silicosis.
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Only one poster stated that DE cured everything, don't lump everyone who finds DE to be beneficial in some way.
this thread has been interesting in the amount of people offended by those who like & use DE.
so far those of us who do, have been compared to snake oil salesmen, mentally ill and suffering from delusions and people who believe in UFO's & people who could think eating a rock could be beneficial and so on.
Geez, people.
I have used DE for over 30 years in my garden and with my animals, I am not dying from renal failure, do not have lung problems, do not think UFO's abducted me and am not certifiably mentally ill and suffering from delusions. I also do not believe DE cures any terminal illnesses and I don't sell DE.
lots of knee jerk reactions on this thread.
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02/09/12, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bearfootfarm
If the producers of DE WANT to make the claim, they have to do the studies.
If they haven'[t been done, it's because folks are smart enough to realize it's pointless, since it's nothing but powdered rock
The "finding" was they need a REAL study
If it REALLY did the things evreyone claims, it would be proclaimed a "miracle drug", and Drs all over the world would be prescribing it
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And Big Pharma would have taken it as their own. All they have to do is patent a particular drug PROCESS for manufacturing it. Merck for example had most of their big money making patents expire in 2000 (held for 50 years before generic pharma is allowed to make copycats).
Mercks lawyers found a loophole. If you change the process to improve the product, you can apply for an extension. So they cahnged the process for packaging some of the drugs noting that ie. "bubble packing aspirin keeps the product fresher for the consumer". Some copycat drug makers went out of business waiting for those patent extensions to expire so they could ship their product which had to be destroyed when it went bad.
I can see...........Diatomica by Bristol-Myers Squib. Purified diatamaceous earth using a patented pill deployment process brings you the wonders of DE from the environmentally friendly folks at Bristol-Myers! Diatomica - It's gentle on your digestion and pure because of our patented "micro-screening" process - unlike some DE sources which include impurities like clay and fecal contaminants. Only $20 for a 50 capsule bottle.
And ANY of the Big Pharmas can do that and make far more money than some bulk dealer.
But they won't because there are no real studies that proves that it works. And they do not want to get sued for millions when someone gets sick or dies because the product did not cure what it claimed.
Hey! I'm not the food police. Eat what you want. To everyone else. Go forward with eyes open.
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02/09/12, 07:46 AM
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Only one ...this thread has been interesting in the amount of people offended by those who like & use DE.....
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That's because we care about you Ellie!
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02/09/12, 07:51 AM
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At the turn of the century, people used to take radium pills and sipping radium water. They swore up and down that it was a cure all and gave them more energy, and made them stronger.
Then the cancer and severe bone degeneration kicked in.... Dead men, tell no tales.
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02/09/12, 07:56 AM
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02/09/12, 08:30 AM
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Thanks for reigning me in!
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02/09/12, 08:34 AM
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Thanks for reigning me in!
....I haven't had my colloidal silver today.
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02/09/12, 08:53 AM
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Thanks for reigning me in!
....I haven't had my colloidal silver today.
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I took my silver yesterday. It was a 1961 quarter. Crapped out two dimes and a nickel this morning. It was a good thing, I needed the CHANGE!
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02/09/12, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ryanthomas
They don't know for sure. But the study isn't useless. It shows a correlation. That's a great first step. The researchers tested it on a group of people, not just one. It's very unlikely that a group of people would have similar positive changes at roughly the same time but from different causes while all taking part in the study. Nothing is a sure thing, not even with science. But it was enough evidence to show findings.
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I agree that it is a starting place. Every test has to start somewhere. I just think they should have completed the test before releasing info. If they were going to do a test they should do it the right way and not do half a job. Many people will see the results they posted and form an opinion about the product that may or may not be true.
Before posting the statement then did they should have completed the test or waited to release the info.
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02/09/12, 09:52 AM
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Many of the people discussing DE on this thread have tried it.
Some have had success. Some have had failures.
Why should the thread be for only those who have had success?
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02/09/12, 11:06 AM
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All I'm saying is I get my medical information from medical doctors. If I have a question about sheep, I'll ask a sheep farmer.
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02/09/12, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie Mae
Only one poster stated that DE cured everything, don't lump everyone who finds DE to be beneficial in some way.
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That's the truth. There's a lot of middle ground between "it cures everything" and "it is completely useless."
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