Anyone taking Diatomaceous Earth?

arabian knight · #21 02/04/12, 07:18 PM

That is so tiny amount nothing would benefit from such a small amount. I wonder what a handful of nice clean sand would contain? LOL

Alice In TX/MO · #22 02/04/12, 07:50 PM

That line about incurable diseases ruffled my feathers, too. Having a grandson who is a cancer survivor thanks to St. Jude Childrens Research Hospital, NOT diatomaceous earth, it is offensive that someone makes those claims.

Bearfootfarm · #23 02/04/12, 07:51 PM

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DE does not "kill" intestinal worms in horses and dogs. It scores the eggs which in turn do not hatch.
At least that's my understanding.

It helps PREVENT worms by drying out the FECES once it leaves the body, and makes it harder for the eggs to hatch.
You can get the same effect much sooner by simply throwing it directly on the manure

DE passes UNCHANGED through the body, and is often used as a "marker" in testing due to that fact

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatoma...on_experiments

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Natural diatomaceous earth (dried, not calcined) is regularly used in livestock nutrition research as a source of acid insoluble ash (AIA), which is used as an indigestible marker.

By measuring the content of AIA relative to nutrients in test diets and feces or digesta sampled from the terminal ileum (last third of the small intestine) the percentage of that nutrient digested can be calculated using the following equation:

DamnearaFarm · #24 02/04/12, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jennigrey

Go ask this question down in the horse forum.

Whoops. No need. The party is here.

Michael W. Smith · #25 02/04/12, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Darren

Arteries, one teaspoon twice a day, two months, I probably won't know for at least another four months.

To clog them or clean them out?!?

I'm assuming you have some type of problem that you have been taking the DE for 2 months and you expect to know if it helped in 4 more months. Would you care to elaborate?

I've used DE on my animals. I still have some, but haven't used it for a while. I've seen and read all the claims that it can do that are to benefit an animal.

While I can see how DE (using it dry) on insects would work, I'm not so certain how it would work internally. It's supposed to work by "cutting" an insect and it therefore drys up. Most intestines are moist, so not sure how anything is going to dry up in there.

Not saying it doesn't - but it just doesn't seem it would make a difference for killing worms. Now the comment about it slicing the eggs, so they don't hatch . . . . now that could have some merit.

But I'm not so certain I would believe that DE is a cureall for EVERYTHING.

Ed Norman · #26 02/04/12, 08:55 PM

I went to the website to look around. Hmm.

The stuff they sell specifically to target insects has some interesting ingredients.

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Perma-Guard's insecticides kill by physical action, not chemical. First by being abrasive to the insects exoskeleton and absorbing its body fluids, thus posing no harm to warm-blooded life. The addition of Pyrethrins and Piperonyl butoxide is to irritate the bug, causing the bug to become active, allowing the DE to work more quickly. As the Pyrethrins and Piperonyl butoxide becomes inactive after three months once applied these products do not contain persistent chemicals harmful to the environment and to higher forms of life, to which insects become immune -- it is a natural insecticide. Perma-Guard products are a much needed revolution for pest control. These products are certain death to insects. Moreover, on any surface, these natural pesticide products have a remarkable repellency factor. As long as it is present, insects tend to stay away, making a serious infestation unlikely. Also, the more it is used, the more an environment is created that tends to make insects feel unwelcome.

Looking at my can of fly spray, the two active ingredients are Pyrethrins and Piperonyl butoxide, and it is certain death on bugs. No DE needed. DOes DE work on insects without the addition of two other known insect killers?

And this line caught my eye:

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First by being abrasive to the insects exoskeleton and absorbing its body fluids

On another page of the website, they say:

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FOSSIL SHELL FLOUR® does not swell, does not absorb nutrients and poses no long term hazard when used as an anti-caking agent in your animal's feed.

How does it know to absorb the nutrients of life needed by the insect, but it does not absorb nutrients needed by the livestock? Truly a miracle product.

http://perma-guard.com/fossilshell.html

texican · #27 02/04/12, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Norman

How does it know to absorb the nutrients of life needed by the insect, but it does not absorb nutrients needed by the livestock? Truly a miracle product.
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Sorta what I was thinking...

killing internal parasites by drying them out... or 'firming up' stools... if the stuff is so absorbent, why doesn't it absorb all it's going to absorb, in the mouth and stomach, before it gets to where the nasties are at?...

If I take DE, or any other whatever, daily, and have no problems with ailments... is it the supplements I take that's preventing me from having ailments, or was I going to be ailment free (ir)regardless?

Reckon if I were real wormy, and knew I was wormy, I'd give it a shot, maybe. And then take a worm pill...

Ed Norman · #28 02/04/12, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogo

I know plenty of doctors and vets who take and feed DE, but they'll never tell their patients/clients about it 'cause they know they won't see them again.
Oath to heal or not, they say they have to feed their families. Sad, isn't it.

That's some cold-blooded doctors. Watching those little kids dies, young mothers suffer and die, leaving a family motherless, watching a beloved grandparent slowly die before their time, watching a hard working father and husband die and leave the family without support. And all those doctors would have to do is mention DE and everyone would be cured. But nope, they gotta pay the mortgage and the country club fees. And not one doctor is brave enough to say we should all be taking DE daily to cure all ailments known.

Rogo · #29 02/05/12, 12:15 AM

Actually, I have heard of one doctor in the east. The alzheimer patients bothered him. He put them on DE. He's been so successful reversing the disease that he's continued.

Full blown AIDS reversed. Cancer, both in dogs and humans reversed.

I also take DE so I won't get what my family has put in my genes -- cancer, diabetes, macular degeneration, and who knows what else. After wearing glasses and contact lenses for over 50 years, I no longer need them for distance or near. Renewed my driver's license and there's no restrictions.

I've helped to introduce you to DE. Do as you wish. I love that my critters and I live without pain and I really love not having vet or medical bills.

J.T.M. · #30 02/05/12, 03:26 AM

I chain smoke 3-4 paks of ciggs. a day ,and I don't have worms therefore.........

Rope · #31 02/05/12, 04:10 AM

We sell 100% DE at work. It is sold as a floor dry. It is not food grade I am sure, but maybe I should spread some of it around the chicken house?
Think I will pass on eating any myself.
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acde · #32 02/05/12, 04:11 AM

If you are going to self medicate you must FIRST self educate, thanks for the info Rogo. Glad you are in good health, I will do my research.

naturelover · #33 02/05/12, 04:53 AM

All of you folks that have been eating DE, I'd like to know how many years you've been eating it.

There's no way I'd eat DE or give it to my livestock in their feed, not even to birds. I don't believe that it's effective against internal parasites.

Humans and animals digestive systems and organs aren't designed to eat silica and mineral materials in that form. It's damaging for the kidneys and the whole renal system and can contribute to the formation of kidney and bladder stones. People and animals already get pretty much all the silica they need in liquid form and in plant/meat foods that already have silica and other minerals assimilated into it.

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**Ross** · #34 02/05/12, 05:46 AM

I tried DE as a wormer, it was a catestrophic failure! Never again.

Ellie Mae · #35 02/05/12, 06:27 AM

wow, adding another thing to the list not to discuss at cocktail parties...
no politics,no religion and no DE! lol

DE sure seems to be a polarizing subject, but I will weigh in with my humble opinion and experience.

I have used DE for close to 30 yrs in the garden, the house and with pets and livestock as bug control, am not sure about it killing worms internally, but I do know it works to keep the flies down and hornworms off my tomato plants..

We add it to all our animals feed, and if you have ever eaten a commercially made biscuit/pancake mix,
you have ingested DE.

I would never claim it to be a cure-all, but after reading some reports of it helping with joint pains, etc, I decided to try taking it internally to see if it would help.

After only a week of taking 1-2 tsp's a day, then working up to a tblsp or two, the pains in my joints were no longer bothering me enough to need pain relievers and after a month, I cancelled a planned visit to the Dr. for shots to ease the pain.

Placebo effect??
maybe, but I'd much rather be fooling my mind with something harmless, than needing to take pain meds and nasty cortizone shots to keep doing what I love...
working hard in the garden and taking care of all our animals.

arabian knight · #36 02/05/12, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by J.T.M.

I chain smoke 3-4 paks of ciggs. a day ,and I don't have worms therefore.........

And I chew and don't have worms either. LOL

**Ross** · #37 02/05/12, 07:24 AM

I thought tobacco was a natural wormer?

terri46355 · #38 02/05/12, 09:08 AM

Sometimes it is the simple things that work best, so I can't disagree with Rogo. I know someone who had high blood pressure and after taking DE, he has normal blood pressure and no longer needs a prescription.

EasyDay · #39 02/05/12, 09:18 AM

Mine in bold:

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Originally Posted by Ellie Mae

wow, adding another thing to the list not to discuss at cocktail parties...
no politics,no religion and no DE! lol

DE sure seems to be a polarizing subject, but I will weigh in with my humble opinion and experience.

I have used DE for close to 30 yrs in the garden, the house and with pets and livestock as bug control, am not sure about it killing worms internally, but I do know it works to keep the flies down and hornworms off my tomato plants..

Same here. For me, the only thing it won't get rid of is squash bugs. I find the grasshoppers literally dried up, clinging to a tomato leaf. Hornworms seem to avoid it altogether (never found a dead one, but they only show up when I need to dust with DE).

We add it to all our animals feed, and if you have ever eaten a commercially made biscuit/pancake mix,
you have ingested DE.

I also sprinkle the roosts in the coop with it. Years ago, I had a mite problem. Sprinkled the coop, roosts, and chickens. Now I do it earlier in the season for prevention, rather than cure, and I've not had a mite since. (Someone will jump in and say how it killed all of someone's chickens because they breathed it. I'll head that off by saying "misuse of anything can kill".)

I would never claim it to be a cure-all, but after reading some reports of it helping with joint pains, etc, I decided to try taking it internally to see if it would help.

After only a week of taking 1-2 tsp's a day, then working up to a tblsp or two, the pains in my joints were no longer bothering me enough to need pain relievers and after a month, I cancelled a planned visit to the Dr. for shots to ease the pain.

I know a woman who has been taking 2 tsps a day for several years. Says she started it as a "last resort" from taking pain killers for her joints, and now never needs pain killers. Says she feels "brand new". What I wonder (and need to ask) is, that since it doesn't dissolve in water, how do you take it? Sprinkled on or cooked in food? I never think to ask her when I see her.

Placebo effect??
maybe, but I'd much rather be fooling my mind with something harmless, than needing to take pain meds and nasty cortizone shots to keep doing what I love...
working hard in the garden and taking care of all our animals.

I'm a believer. Some never will be. Some will say it's all lies without ever having even tried it for any of it's many uses. In the end, I believe any that have found it "harmful" were simply using the wrong stuff. All DE is NOT created equal.

EasyDay · #40 02/05/12, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by terri46355

Sometimes it is the simple things that work best, so I can't disagree with Rogo. I know someone who had high blood pressure and after taking DE, he has normal blood pressure and no longer needs a prescription.

I've heard that, too. Also, that it may help with dysfunctional thyroids. I should try it. My thyroid quit working years ago, so I have that little pill to take everyday for the rest of my life! Ugh!