12 Infected With New Swine Flu Strain - H3N2

Jena · #21 01/12/12, 11:57 PM

Not all flues have equal mortality. It appears that this strain is "run of the mill" and not especially deadly, even if it can transmit human to human. I've been sick for over a week, but I'm not worried.

FarmerRob · #22 01/13/12, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kan-green

For those who work in health care it is concerning when they get the mix of the vaccination wrong. I'm hoping that I will have at least partial immunity since I had the original strain of the swine flu. My newborn boy and youngest daughter also had it.

They most often get it wrong. They guess, a year in advance, what three strains they think will be prevalent the following year. You cannot truthfully tell me the last time they got it right. They have gone to great lengths to cover that up and suppress accurate data. Last year it was reported that the CDC put the word out to doctors that all flu cases should be reported as swine flu. They had included H1N1, and H5N1 in the annual concoction. And calling it swine flu was a bit off--it should have been called the Mexican flu.

Flu shots are 98.5% useless unless you are the companies who make them or the large number of businesses who make massive bucks selling this useless crap. I haven't had a flu shot or the flu but once in the last 45 years.

Twelve people is not good but, on average the CDC says about 36,000 people in the US die of some type of flu related death. Mostly sick, weak, and elderly--stay away from them if you are sick in any way.

BTW, the 36,000 is an average for the years 1990-1999 where the estimated annual numbers ranged from 17,000 to 52,000 and 36,00 was the annual average for that period.

This is an excerpt from an article from Dr. Mercola (mercola.com):
"Three Reasons to Reconsider Flu Shots

There are three major reasons why this government push to vaccinate 84 percent of the U.S. population with a yearly flu vaccine is so incomprehensible:

1. The majority of flu shots contain 25 micrograms of mercury; an amount considered unsafe for anyone weighing less than 550 pounds! And which groups are most sensitive to the neurological damage that has been associated with mercury? Infants, children, and the elderly.

2. No studies have conclusively proven that flu shots prevent flu-related deaths among the elderly, yet this is one of the key groups to which they’re pushed.

3. If you get a flu shot, you can still get the flu (or flu-like symptoms). This is because it only protects against certain strains, and it’s anyone’s guess which flu viruses will be in your area.

So why would you take a flu shot – EVERY YEAR -- that has NEVER been proven to be effective, that can give you the very illness you’re trying to prevent, and has potential long-term side effects that are far worse than the flu itself?

The powers that be have done an excellent job of instilling fear into the population so they believe that they must get a shot to stay healthy, but the simple reality is it’s doing you more harm than good."

#23 01/13/12, 12:50 AM

I'm a CNA (certified nursing assistant) I had the Flu shot (actually, I was basically bullied into it..was told by the DNS that anybody that didn't get the Flu shot and got the flu their job could be in jeopardy that each day you were absent would count against you instead of going by the (standard) policy is if you are absent for consecutive day's it would count as one absence..btw, it's not mandatory like some hospitals are..) within 8hrs of recieving the shot I was sicker then a dog and sick for close to 2 weeks.. Prior to getting the shot I told the DNS I didn't want it after seeing so many of my co-workers through the years becoming real ill..of coarse the DNS swore up and down that their is nothing live in the shot to make you sick and that you had to be coming down sick prior to getting the shot..BULL POOP!

fishhead · #24 01/13/12, 07:51 AM

Despite all the attempts to educate people about vaccines I see that lots of people haven't been listening. Sometimes I think we are headed back into the dark ages.

Sonshine · #25 01/13/12, 10:31 AM

With DH being in the military he has no options but to get the flu shot every year and he always ends up sick from it. DS and I do not take them and very seldom get the flu. If we do get the flu we get over it just as quickly as those who have had their shots. I had more than my share of flu shots when I was in the AF. Never did help me, I always got sick the day after I got the shot.

haypoint · #26 01/13/12, 03:37 PM

I thought that since there are so many Michigan Homesteaders, this might be of interest to those that have contact with other humans:

Health alert from the Michigan Health Alert Network about Norovirus. Norovirus is easily spread. It causes acute gastroenteritis (meaning quick onset of stomach pain, vomiting, and diarrhea). Handwashing is important in prevention as is care in preparing food. If someone in your home is ill, then extra care is needed with disinfecting surfaces and doing laundry. Here is a link to more information from CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/revb/...s-keyfacts.htm

emdeengee · #27 01/13/12, 05:11 PM

This is quite frightening and I was just reading that scientists are most worried about the strengthening of this combination flue. Bird-Swine flu. Bird flu kills more than 60 percent of its human victims, but doesn't easily pass from person to person. Swine flu can be spread with a sneeze or handshake, but kills only a small fraction of the people it infects. The new swine flu strain — a never-before-seen mixture of pig, human and bird viruses — has shown itself to be especially adept at snatching evolutionarily advantageous genetic material from other flu viruses. An ancestor of the current flu virus was discovered at a North Carolina pig farm in 1998.

oregon woodsmok · #28 01/13/12, 09:41 PM

I am not wishing illness on anyone, but it's always nice when they announce that the flu is "swine" flu. Last time they did that enough poorly informed people refused to buy pork, afraid they'd get the flu from eating a pork chop, that the price of pork in the market crashed and I loaded up my freezer.

Not good news for the pig farmers, though.

Haven · #29 01/14/12, 12:59 AM

I refuse to take flu shots and haven't had the flu since I was a kid, probably 25+ years ago.

Almost lost a family member last year after his free flu shot at work. He was paralyzed and collapsed within days of the shot after it sent his immune system into a tailspin causing it to attack his own body. Fortunately he has recovered, but i hate to think of the long term issues that may arise in the future because of this.

(btw, while he was hospitalized, it was investigated and documented as being an adverse vaccine reaction.)

ejagno · #30 01/14/12, 02:38 AM

I don't know what's going on around here but whatever it is its lasting 2 weeks. It starts out with fluid in the ears. Then comes the swollen glands. Next is the severe chest congestion followed by the throat wrenching coughing. The grand fanale is when they all converge on you right when you think it can't get any worse. Yep, that's how I'm feeling tonight. Now, on top of all that I've begun uncontrollable sneezing fits and a runny nose. Would someone just shoot me. I'm going on 10 days of this and I'm exhausted.

NickieL · #31 01/14/12, 07:00 AM

I just made waffles and used my famous homemade elderberry syrup...should be good to go

Aintlifegrand · #32 01/14/12, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ejagno

I don't know what's going on around here but whatever it is its lasting 2 weeks. It starts out with fluid in the ears. Then comes the swollen glands. Next is the severe chest congestion followed by the throat wrenching coughing. The grand fanale is when they all converge on you right when you think it can't get any worse. Yep, that's how I'm feeling tonight. Now, on top of all that I've begun uncontrollable sneezing fits and a runny nose. Would someone just shoot me. I'm going on 10 days of this and I'm exhausted.

We have had the same here just north of you in Louisiana...it started after Christmas for most in our family (20 or so) who got together Christmas Eve and Christmas day...several of us are still sick almost 3 weeks later and many have lingering chest congestion and coughing...

BTW all of us had the current flu shot in Oct- November...

Ohiogal · #33 01/14/12, 10:01 AM

That's exactly the symptoms I had/have. I've been over 2 weeks with it, still runny nose and coughing, though the chest congestion is getting better now. I did the wise thing and stayed home from work for 2 days when the worst of it was going on. I've never had that much sneezing going on either.

I had the flu shot in October.

I don't think its worth it - what is worth it is the pneumonia shot. I got that 3 years ago and haven't had any serious issues since then. I paid for it out of my own pocket as my doctor didn't think it was necessary. Funny since I had that vaccine, I haven't been to him for antibiotics or a chest infection.

NickieL · #34 01/14/12, 10:10 AM

they force us to take flu shots here where I work, even if you are allergic to them like I am (I get hives). They would not let me pass it up this year because it wasn't a "deathly alregic reaction"...sigh.

tinknal · #35 01/14/12, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by emdeengee

The new swine flu strain — a never-before-seen mixture of pig, human and bird viruses — has shown itself to be especially adept at snatching evolutionarily advantageous genetic material from other flu viruses. An ancestor of the current flu virus was discovered at a North Carolina pig farm in 1998.

Hogwash. Almost all flu strains originate in Asia where farmers raise pigs and ducks together. The interaction between the hogs, ducks, and humans is exactly how flu outbreaks occur.

This is just another example of the government never wasting a good crisis.

arabian knight · #36 01/14/12, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by fishhead

Despite all the attempts to educate people about vaccines I see that lots of people haven't been listening. Sometimes I think we are headed back into the dark ages.

I agree.
I have taken the flu shot for the past 20 years. And i have yet to be down with a good case of the flu.
You may get sick, but it won't last as long if you have taken the flu shot.
And I will continue to take shots, had a pneumonia shot a few years ago, and now with the flu shot combined with the HiNi it is a good thing.
I have had horses for the last 40 years.

And every year I give them their shots 5 in one most of the time, 2 strains of flu, 2 strains of sleeping sickness, and tetanus, and by golly if I protect my animals like that, why on earth would I not protect myself the same?
You can see by the stats that some bad diseases are creeping back into the USA, as more people seem to think it is best not to give vaccines.
To be effective we need as many people as possible to take ANY given vaccine.
Sure some are going to have a reaction, even animals do, but the good they do taking vaccines, sure out way the bad that can happen.
Cause if some of those bad ones ever get a good foot hold, many will be wishing they had taken the proper care, and take shots to protect themselves.

motdaugrnds · #37 01/14/12, 10:59 AM

We have never taken a flu shot!
We have not had a severe cold nor any form of the flu develop in so many years I cannot count!

We avoid crowds, wash out hands immediately with an antibacterial solution immediately after shopping (prior to even entering the auto), keep Echinacea and Vit C tablets on hand and eat only what we grow/raise on the homestead......knock on wood.......as no strain of flu has found us.

I have elderberry bushes that should produce this year and we use a lot of garlic & fresh oregano. I believe by keeping our bodies active and well balanced, the flu simply avoids us like the plague! ROFL

haypoint · #38 01/15/12, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by motdaugrnds

We have never taken a flu shot!
We have not had a severe cold nor any form of the flu develop in so many years I cannot count!

We avoid crowds, wash out hands immediately with an antibacterial solution immediately after shopping (prior to even entering the auto), keep Echinacea and Vit C tablets on hand and eat only what we grow/raise on the homestead......knock on wood.......as no strain of flu has found us.

I have elderberry bushes that should produce this year and we use a lot of garlic & fresh oregano. I believe by keeping our bodies active and well balanced, the flu simply avoids us like the plague! ROFL

Well, as long as the rest of the people get their flu shots, you are at less risk because the flu won't spread as fast or far with imunizations. Be shure to thank all those folks for helping you stay well.

I think we are well past believing elderberries, garlic or oregano protects us from influenza. The big flu at the turn of the 20th century, killed healthy people first. The flu messed with the body's immune system and the better it was the sicker you got, killing millions world wide. Probably won't spread now like it did in 1914, so much less travel today.

oakridgewi · #39 01/15/12, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by haypoint

I think we are well past believing elderberries, garlic or oregano protects us from influenza.

Different people believe differently. There is a lot to herbals and i'm trying to learn more about it. I'm gettin past believing everything the pharmacy industry is saying.

Just MY oppinion
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Pony · #40 01/15/12, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearfootfarm

They say that every year, and vaccines rarely cover more than a few strains anyway.

Just take the normal precautions and don't worry about media hype, since it won't change anything at all

Exactly.

Oh, wait! Maybe we can insist that the govt order a whole lot of vaccine, and we pay the pharma co's for it, and they make big money, and all the vaccines get dumped.

Again.

No, thanks. I don't buy the media hype any more.