Nat'l Agricultural Classification Survey..

salmonslayer · #81 01/12/12, 03:48 PM

Just out of curiosity, is this a new survey? When we got ours (we are new to land ownership) I looked it up and I thought it was the same type of survey they have been doing for many decades so we filled it out. Some of you are linking this to Agenda 21 and the like which would make this relatively new; did I misunderstand this and is this in fact something new?

haypoint · #82 01/12/12, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CesumPec

Haypoint - I'm curious. You've made your point, you think it is a good gov't program or at least it is a gov't program that is going to happen anyway, so you believe it is foolish not to participate. Is that reasonably close to your position?

You seem to have gotten yourself quite worked up about people not agreeing with you. And since you believe it would be better for you if they ignore the survey, why all the agitation and put downs?

Are you limiting the number of times each person can respond or just those that don't agree with you? Seems I'm not the only one to post multiple times on this thread.
With or without your permission, I'll continue to respond to any point I care to. I'm not agitated, but I am suprised at the degree of paranoia.

sassafras manor · #83 01/12/12, 04:01 PM

For the love of God folks...........it is a survey about tracking the trends associated with our lifestyle and/or livlihood. Many other "industries" have similar surveys as well.

RELAX and take a deep breath. If you do not want to fill it out, simply throw it in the trash and get on with life!

ET1 SS · #84 01/12/12, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by salmonslayer

Just out of curiosity, is this a new survey?

The law authorizing this was passed in 1997. The first USDA survey under the authority of Title 7 happened in 1998.

This years 'survey' is a prelude to next years AG census. The USDA needs to figure out first who the farms are, and which sets of questions those farms will receive.

I do not know much about what surveys the USDA did before the Title 7 law was passed.

geo in mi · #85 01/12/12, 04:48 PM

Phew! Glad I didn't get my grandkids an ant farm for Christmas!!!

geo

salmonslayer · #86 01/12/12, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ET1 SS

The law authorizing this was passed in 1997. The first USDA survey under the authority of Title 7 happened in 1998.

This years 'survey' is a prelude to next years AG census. The USDA needs to figure out first who the farms are, and which sets of questions those farms will receive.

I do not know much about what surveys the USDA did before the Title 7 law was passed.

Thanks, from what I found they started the census in 1840 and it was conducted by the Census bureau until 1996 and the USDA took it over in 1997 when that law was passed. You cleared up the Survey -vs- census thing though as I was thinking it was the same thing.

This doesnt bother me but if it bothers others just dont fill it out. I personally dont see anything too onerous about this and it isnt something on my radar screen but I understand some peoples reluctance to participate.

plowjockey · #87 01/12/12, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by salmonslayer

Just out of curiosity, is this a new survey? When we got ours (we are new to land ownership) I looked it up and I thought it was the same type of survey they have been doing for many decades so we filled it out. Some of you are linking this to Agenda 21 and the like which would make this relatively new; did I misunderstand this and is this in fact something new?

There is a difference.

Back then, everyone was not wearing tin-foil hats.

Bearfootfarm · #88 01/12/12, 05:34 PM

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BFF, you're wrong.

When I ran a cattle company, I kept a IRS-issued logbook where every farm expense was logged throughout the year. Every animal was accounted for. My Farm Ins. CPA knew every cow, her age (for depreciation purposes), whether she calved, WHEN she calved, and whether the offspring was a calf or heifer. Every animal that died. Every animal taken to auction, and what they sold for. Any fertilizer/seed, when, and how much was applied.

It's not required unless you want to claim IRS tax exemptions for certain animals.

I have no special "IRS issued logbooks" to use for my sheep, but I can still deduct expenses using simple IRS forms such as 1040-F, which asks nothing about types or numbers of animals

Also the survey isn't being sent only to "businesses" like your cattle company

Bearfootfarm · #89 01/12/12, 05:35 PM

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Some of you are linking this to Agenda 21 and the like which would make this relatively new; did I misunderstand this and is this in fact something new?

This has nothing to do with that agenda.
This is the Census Bureau, and it's nothing "new"

CesumPec · #90 01/12/12, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by haypoint

Are you limiting the number of times each person can respond or just those that don't agree with you? Seems I'm not the only one to post multiple times on this thread.
With or without your permission, I'll continue to respond to any point I care to. I'm not agitated, but I am suprised at the degree of paranoia.

Limiting the number of times a person can post? I don't understand where that's coming from. I also, as asked and ignored before, don't understand why you are seemingly so agitated and rude to those who disagree with you when you state it is in your best interests if they disagree with you. When people are handing me money I usually say thank you; I don't berate them.

That said, I love a political debate, so please don't interpret my post as trying to limit you from expressing a desire to partake in the short term gains of a gov't giveaway program.

EasyDay · #91 01/12/12, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearfootfarm

Also the survey isn't being sent only to "businesses" like your cattle company

I never connected the survey to just farm businesses.
Rather than have to recant for you, yet again, just reread the thread.

EasyDay · #92 01/12/12, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearfootfarm

It's not required unless you want to claim IRS tax exemptions for certain animals.

I have no special "IRS issued logbooks" to use for my sheep, but I can still deduct expenses using simple IRS forms such as 1040-F, which asks nothing about types or numbers of animals

Also the survey isn't being sent only to "businesses" like your cattle company

No. You're wrong again.
No exemptions for certain animals.
Exempted animals (my pleasure horses), aren't claimed to begin with, and their needs are not added in as expenses, either.
Do you mention your dog on your tax form? Same thing.

pancho · #93 01/12/12, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EasyDay

No. You're wrong again.
No exemptions for certain animals.
Exempted animals (my pleasure horses), aren't claimed to begin with, and their needs are not added in as expenses, either.
Do you mention your dog on your tax form? Same thing.

I did mention my dogs on my tax forms. They were a source of income and were depreciated just like the other animals.

I would not fill out the survey.

EasyDay · #94 01/12/12, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pancho

I did mention my dogs on my tax forms. They were a source of income and were depreciated just like the other animals.

I would not fill out the survey.

Ok, pancho. You know I mean. I WISH my pets would get a job!

But, good to see that you know what I mean about listing animals for depreciation purposes.

I didn't fill it out, and I said so.
And that's when the boxing gloves started flying!

Bearfootfarm · #95 01/12/12, 09:19 PM

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No. You're wrong again.
No exemptions for certain animals

Then Call my CPA and tell him he's done my taxes incorrectly for the last 10 years

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Do you mention your dog on your tax form? Same thing.

My dogs are part of my business, and while I DO report income and deduct expenses, they never ask about the animals themselves.

How about show us some links to these IRS forms you say are required?
When I searched, all I found was the normal 1040-F

DJ in WA · #96 01/12/12, 11:29 PM

So many here laugh at the paranoid who lack trust in their government. You might want to thank us. If nobody mistrusted and resisted government, can you imagine the state we'd be in? It's bad enough now. The math is not good.

The reality is that at some point, medicare and SS are in trouble. The more we waste on this other stuff, the sooner that time comes.

I guess we can ignore history and trust that our government loves us, and none of the leaders and bureacrats actually want power and money. It is all for our good, because they care!

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Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. — Frederick Douglass

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
- Daniel Webster

Voltaire:
So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men.

"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evilminded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." — Justice Louis D. Brandeis

I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. ~James Madison

DJ in WA · #97 01/12/12, 11:42 PM

BTW, I wonder how much the guy makes who is in charge of this.

Hubert Hamer, Chair, Agricultural Statistics Board.

I would assume at least six figures, with lots of benefits and a big retirement.

Of course, he's only doing it because he cares about our needs.

Wonder where that money comes from?

We aren't borrowing enough to match our spending, so we're printing the money, which makes dollars worth less, which drives up prices.

Which makes us more poor, which makes us need more government programs, which means we need to print more money.......

I bet Hubert Hamer gets cost of living increases and is doing quite well, while those he is "helping" are not.

DJ in WA · #98 01/13/12, 01:02 AM

I was pondering the irony of describing those with a mistrust of government as paranoid. Because all these wonderful gov’t programs are promoted by instilling fear. Those who support them are scared that they’ll starve without them, or they will lose their farm without them, or whatever.

It would seem the ones with courage are the ones who are confident enough to do it on their own or by helping each other. Not by begging from government to take somebody else’s money.

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The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
~H. L. Mencken

Power is usurped from the people, first by implementing fear, then it is maintained by slandering as 'unpatriotic' those who refuse submission.
~Ramman Kenoun

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government), those entrusted with power, have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
-Thomas Jefferson

H. L. Mencken:
The average man does not want to be free. He simply wants to be safe.

Shep · #99 01/13/12, 02:07 AM

I've read the posts and to answer the question as to where they got your name...it's from your County records namely your property tax records...how I know this is because my first name is spelled wrong on my property tax statement and any correspondence with that spelling is generated by that office. I have 5 acres, my MIL has 3/4 of an acre, my friend has 1, my neighbor has 12, another has 40...etc. We've all gotten one as long as you don't live in the city limits.

Also, I agree with the agenda 21...check out what was put into law by executive order last June:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...xecutive-order

Shep

EasyDay · #**100** 01/13/12, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearfootfarm

Then Call my CPA and tell him he's done my taxes incorrectly for the last 10 years

WORKBOOK = Worksheets... which tally the numbers for accountability, which are then inserted on your official filing form. You really must get smarter about what your CPA is doing. Get out of the dark.

My dogs are part of my business, and while I DO report income and deduct expenses, they never ask about the animals themselves.

Then, you're missing out on depreciation value.

How about show us some links to these IRS forms you say are required?
When I searched, all I found was the normal 1040-F

They're in a bin in the shed. Look them up on the IRS website.

I don't have to justify myself to you, BFF. You're known to nag and pick, dragging threads far beyond their worth. A perfect example is the thread on RFID chips that the Feds approved for humans.

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I initially came on here this morning to straighten out your thinking about something, because you assumed wrong again. Your assumption amused me, for awhile... but by letting you go on believing your assumption, I actually started feeling like I was deceiving you by not straightening you out on it. But, forget it. Two things that I'm NOT are a liar, nor a thief. But, the err is on your part and I'm tired of having to talk to you as if I'm conversing with a 3 year old.