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12/30/11, 10:20 AM
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I never said anyone was smarter...I prefer the organic methods. That is my PREFERENCE. So I am going to support those who do their farming that way.
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12/30/11, 10:24 AM
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Certain posters who are defending their product seem to think just because people support non-gmo and certified organic are city dwellers, make me laugh. I've lived in a city all of 2 years my entire life. I live in a rural town, surrounded by farms, lots of corn, soy, but other crops too. Many of my neighbors are farmers. I buy directly from some of them (the certified organic ones), all my meat, butter, eggs and whatever fruits and veggies i don't grow myself. Seems to me, they do a good business, their land certainly isn't suffering any and they employ jobs to a lot of locals---THATS where I chose for my cash to go. Sorry certain posters feel threatened when their way isn't shown to be the ONLY way to farm. I'm certainly NOT going to sit here and listen to a CANOLA farmer, who makes money off the crop and not believe that they have neutral interest in the topic. Of course you don't. right or wrong, you are going to defend your conventional style of farming and insult those who don't support it---much like the strong arm tactics used by those big chem companies---Intimidation tactics only make you look like a foaming at the mouth bully who people will less likely want to listen to, just so you know and anyone who is like that gets put on the ignore list 
Wasn't trying to change anyone's mind about anything. I provided links to those folks WHO ARE interested in finding non-gmo sources of food. If that's not you, move on.  |
Please show me where anyone attacked organic or inferred that you did not have the right to choose your food. I don't understand why it is acceptable to attack me, KSFarmer, FarmerDale and others that use GMO products to produce food for the growing world.
This entire thread is about ATTACKING those of us the produce food using GMO technology.
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12/30/11, 10:31 AM
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I'm certainly NOT going to sit here and listen to a CANOLA farmer, who makes money off the crop
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Don't your organic friends make money too?
Is their money "better" or "greener"?
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12/30/11, 10:53 AM
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you are going to defend your conventional style of farming and insult those who don't support it---much like the strong arm tactics used by those big chem companies---Intimidation tactics only make you look like a foaming at the mouth bully who people will less likely want to listen to, just so you know and anyone who is like that gets put on the ignore list
Wasn't trying to change anyone's mind about anything. I provided links to those folks WHO ARE interested in finding non-gmo sources of food. If that's not you, move on. |
That is very confusing - it's the organic types that seem to do the strong-arming.
Over & over, folks who use or accept gmo crops keep saying they welcome all types of farming. It's the non-gmo side that avoids facts or just makes stuff up to protect their more expensive crops and lifestyle. If money is your problem, or avoiding facts, or not allowing people choces, it's the organic circles that smack of such?
Don't mean to be confrontational, but I can't understand what you are saying, it does not match the reality I live in? You perfectly described your own side on this issue?
Either way, I'm glad we live in a society where one has choices, and despite your my-way-only attitude, I'm glad we have the choices in this country that you can buy the products you prefer.
Moderation and allowing all the choice to live their lives is a good thing, not a 'my way only' sort of deal as you seem to present?
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12/30/11, 10:56 AM
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Certain posters who are defending their product seem to think just because people support non-gmo and certified organic are city dwellers, make me laugh.
Me too!
I've lived in a city all of 2 years my entire life. I live in a rural town, surrounded by farms, lots of corn, soy, but other crops too. Many of my neighbors are farmers. I buy directly from some of them Excellent!!! (the certified organic ones), all my meat, butter, eggs and whatever fruits and veggies i don't grow myself. Seems to me, they do a good business, their land certainly isn't suffering any and they employ jobs to a lot of locals---THATS where I chose for my cash to go. Again, good for you! It is great to hve choice! Sorry certain posters feel threatened when their way isn't shown to be the ONLY way to farm. I feel no threat whatsoever.. I'm certainly NOT going to sit here and listen to a CANOLA farmer, who makes money off the crop and not believe that they have neutral interest in the topic. Some years I make money, some years not. I find it sad, you take your wonderful "organic" farmers at their word, but do not trust a canola farmer. There are so many outright lies in the articles you site, so many mis-informed people out there, because of what you post. I simply want to rectify that, cut through the lies, and show some balance. Is that so wrong? Of course you don't. right or wrong, you are going to defend your conventional style of farming and insult those who don't support it Insult? Where am I insulting other ways of farming. Look in the mirror, and you will see someone insulting a different way of farming. All while using patently false information, to try to smear. They are lies. If you don't believe me, fine. But know you are following lies. ---much like the strong arm tactics used by those big chem companies---Intimidation tactics only make you look like a foaming at the mouth bully who people will less likely want to listen to, just so you know and anyone who is like that gets put on the ignore list Since when is sharing FACTS intimidation? I am sharing facts, I am not intimidating. I am simply rebutting someone who is grossly mis informed, and spreading lies.
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You can go ahead and keep doing that, and you have my blessing. But if you intend to mislead with dubious material, which is full of lies, I will not stand for it. I will defend those things I know. I AM a farmer, I love my soil, I depend on my soil, I need my soil. I also happen to enjoy a more laid back lifestyle, raising and hunting most of my families own food, "organically" and otherwise. I do not work for, nor like, monsanto, bayer, dow, etc. I will defend my farm, how it works, and the crops grown on it, from people who lie and have no clue. People who use the words rapeseed and canola interchangeably, for example. Nothing in life is perfect, not even "organic" production.
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12/30/11, 03:54 PM
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Sorry certain posters feel threatened when their way isn't shown to be the ONLY way to farm. I'm certainly NOT going to sit here and listen to a CANOLA farmer, who makes money off the crop and not believe that they have neutral interest in the topic.
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Are you talking about your statement:
"Here is a good website for those who want to support RESPONSIBLE technology and not GMO big buisness."
Read that the opposite way: those who use GMO seeds are IRRESPONSIBLE. How is that not attacking the farmers mentioned in this thread? You expect farmers to sit quietly without responding to you, even when they do everything they can to be good stewards of the soil?
How about this... I don't use GMO crops, so I'm not biased by money. I STILL think that GMO is a great idea, and don't see any problem with them. And like almost all of the farmers here, I don't care if you eat organic foods. More power to you if you can afford them. How much do you think your food would cost if everyone ate organic, and not just a few people? Production would go down, prices would rise, but everyone could believe that they were healthier.
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01/02/12, 01:20 PM
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These links claim that Montsanto's claims about their foods are false. Not benefitting the starving or the environment.
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LOL
Half of their "claims" are that it's not effective because it doesn't kill anything, and the other half are that it's "dangerous" because it DOES kill everything.
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Personally, I've found little value in the Bt gentics on my farm for the way I grow corn. Perhaps it would help me one in 6 years; trouble is guessing which year that is?
I do believe if many of my neighbors are using Bt corn, it lowers the number of bad bugs in the neighborhood, and so I am being helped some by Bt corn, even if I am not buying it myself.
Your 1st link has some good concerns. Weeds and insects are _always_ a moving target, and they adapt to different environments. Farmers have always changed what they do when the old methods stopped working. For example, some root worm bugs have evolved, where as they have a 2 year life cycle now, and survive when you rotate between corn & soybeans. Didn't used to be that way, but - when farmers rotated crops to get rid of bugs, the bugs adapted.
Likewise, they adapt to a certain type of GMO. That is a given.
The new GMO seeds are double-acting, and have a refuge in a bag, so no one can 'cheat' on the refuge and create as bad a resistance problem.
Bugs are evolving, but methods of combating them are evolving as well.
So, the resistance issue is being dealt with.
Someday Bt corn might not work any more, that is possible. Then I guess we return to the older methods of using harsh, poisonious insecticides applied to the seed trench to keep the bugs away. That is not so good for the soil, or for the farmer, but it is an option we can return to.
So...... While Bt corn works, and as they keep changing it a bit to keep working, it provides us a safer way to deal with bugs in corn. If/when it stops working, we return to the old ways of dealing with bugs, and haven't lost anything - we have gained a few decades of less insecticide useage.
I'm not seeing an end of the world, or a real big problem. I see progress and evalution of the way we deal with bugs. I guess I don't see the monster???? I see bugs evolving as they have for centuries, and farming practices also evolving to meet those challenges? totally disagree - fighting bugs is and does benefit the starving, and gmo Bt does help the environment. More feed/food is produced, and there are less harmful toxins placed in the environment.
Your 2nd link did not open for me.
Your 3rd link sounds like good business working as it should. Both organic producers and Monsanto are trying to protect their own interests, and I think it's smart for the organic producers to get together & come up with some laws and legislation that keeps a good balance in the businesses. There are times I am very frustrated with the business practices of both sides of this issue, and it is only right that both sides should be watching their own intrests. Good for them.
Thanks for the links and debate.
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