Those interested in GMO foods should check this out.

Fixed it for you...

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I understand what you are saying.

The trouble is to try to present something useable, something based on science, if you make a _statement_ out of it, or try to present it as some sort of logical, scientific, reality.

A lot of this stuff tends to be made up goblty ----, and really has no place in an intelligent conversation.

Yet - there it is.

We all can have opinions and make choices on GMO and food and feed. That's cool, I'd really hate if we lost that. Person doesn't need a logical reason to choose what it is they eat.

But if we are trying to influence the choices others make - or eliminate the choices others have - then it's a whole different thing, and a person needs to show up with an understanding of the issue, and a clear, sensible argument to the table.

Think that's all people really look for, and it shouldn't be that hard to follow up with real info.

--->Paul

Hey, haven't you heard that it's fashionable here now to keep recycling things? Slow time right now. If one can't anything new, recycle some old stuff!

Martin

Some things turn into compost, and gain value.
Unfortunately, this isn't one of those things

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And other things just stink?

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Well, but you know.........In spite of all the good old "Fear mongering", that the use of GMO foods is growing rapidly. And with the Facts of less suceptability to plant disease, and pests of GmO foods, and the increased productivity of GMO foods........
Well, Within a few years they will be playing a much larger role in feeding the Hungry masses of the World populations, especially in 3rd World Nations.

And that seems to me, to be a good thing and worth the risks.........I'm just saying.....

Can't anyone else see that??

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Feeding those masses won't solve the problem, the more food they have the more kids they will have becasue they lack the education to say "STOP! We are overpoppulating and can't feed ourselves!" So the cycle will keep getting worse, and worse and the issue is not going to be solved, then those fancy GMO crops that have wrecked the diversity, will be over come by disease and pests who quickly get resistant to them and becsue of lack of diversity the world will fall victem to another great famine...........GMOS are NOT the answer. Can't anyone else see that?!

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I'm mostly seeing hysteria that's not backed by science

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I see a fair amount of hysteria as well.

I guess dousing our fields with massive amounts of chemicals to treat weeds, diseases and insects is the answer. That or burning massive amounts of fuel to leave half of the farmland fallow every other year or so, minig the soil and wrecking its structure and o.m. content in the process. and causing massive dustbowls all over again. Farming has been there done that. The environment on farms has never been this pure in 100 years, but city people don't know that. They hear gmo, and see a farmer spray his crops on their one trip out of town, and they panic. If they were to actually visit the farmers, he could show them his soil, his water, and what technology has done to save the environment...

Oh well...

Dale

Here is a good website for those who want to support RESPONSIBLE technology and not GMO big buisness.

http://www.nongmoshoppingguide.com/

Here are some videos as well.

http://responsibletechnology.org/resources/audio-video

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Yes that is an interesting website. It has several lies but what does that matter to an informed shopper? I mean people can buy what they want, that is the beauty of it all. But to mis-inform, nay, lie about things blatantly, to people(consumers) who are so far removed from farming they couldn't tell a canola plant from a flax plant, a sheep from a goat, or healthy soil vs. burnt out exhausted and mined organic soil, is plain and simple rude, and unfair.

How do GMO crops reduce diversity? I am assuming you mean biodiversity. Or do you mean genetic diversity?

I agree that the more people we can feed, the more people we will have and that will backfire on us all at some point. Maybe they need to make a crop that provides contraception with consumption.

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I can understand you get frustrated with this subject as I've seen some of your other posts. The argument gets tiring and worn out, but I think your analogy there is totally wrong in lumping "consumers" as people who don't know anything about plants or soil because they don't think the way you do. Like it or not, a lot of people disagree, and they are of all sorts of knowledge and belief.

You too. The stuff you think is "science" is no more credible than the nuts it comes from sometimes. There are nuts on both sides of the argument, and there are intelligent people on both sides. Those who don't choose your interpretation are no less intelligent.

The very term science has lost credibility with me. Money changes everything.

Hey, I would not be shocked if that isn't or hasn't been worked on.

[QUOTE=partndn;5597540]I can understand you get frustrated with this subject as I've seen some of your other posts. The argument gets tiring and worn out, but I think your analogy there is totally wrong in lumping "consumers" as people who don't know anything about plants or soil because they don't think the way you do. Like it or not, a lot of people disagree, and they are of all sorts of knowledge and belief.

I know the arguement gets tiring, and I have stated many times there are two side to every story, a million opinions on everything on earth. I can't help that some opinions are a bit suspect. I consider urban people very far removed from agriculture, and therefore very susceptible to mis information and fear mongering.

I farm. I actually depend on my soil for a living. I know my soil, I love my soil. I have a degree in agriculture. I know how many pesticides are used in farming, I know how "organic" farming works. I want to provide the unaware with real information to counter the fear and the mis-information out there.

Consumers are not dumb. They are simply so removed from the farm, that in news releases they hardly know a combine from an air drill, a flax plant from wheat, and they think fertilizer n has different components than manure n. They are misinformed in this "green" society. It is truly a shame. i wish they would visit a farmer, not watch food inc. and think it is accurate.

GMO crops and Roundup have both been around 30-40 years.

Tests have been done by anyone who wants to do them, and the data shows there is NO advantage to "organic"

When those against them can only parrot buzzwords and hype, and not present actual data, there is only one logical conclusion, and that is they are misinformed and don't seem to care

It's sad to see people say they don't want to eat plants that have been treated with "pesticides and chemicals" when ALL plants need the same chemicals to grow, and the pesticides approved for use on "organics" are more toxic than those used on GMO crops

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/organictext.html

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Hey, I live in the city and grow a lot of "show and tell" stuff right next to the sidewalk. There have been many times when people stop to ask what something is because they've never seen it growing. Even I didn't know something for a long time despite many years farming background and that was canola. Never saw "canola" growing anywhere and didn't have a computer to look it up. Went for a walk around Saksild, Denmark in July 1997 and saw a field that looked very familiar and my friend said that it was canola. Huh? Grew that for our hogs in '54 or '55 and it was rape then!

Martin

Hey Martin, some of the old farmers still use the old rape term. If a city girl was sitting at my table for lunch, and my uncle happened to be visiting with another old fella, she may be shocked when one asks the other, how was your rape last year?

There is a community whose slogn used to be "the land of rape and honey" As it sits in an excellent area known for its superior yields of small grains. And its fine canola blossom honey. They have dropped that slogan like a dirty diaper! Actually I googled it and it appears it is still used. i am surprised. lol

Yea, that crop had kinda bad name, they decided to spruce it up a little some time ago. I haven't ever seen canola, only in pictures. In dad's day, was all wheat, oats, flax, corn grown around here, tad winter wheat & rye.

Today all corn & sobeans, tad of wheat & oats, alfalfa. Wouldn't know where to sell flax or winter wheat or rye, and even oats & spring wheat you have to come at the right time, right markets to sell it. There is some sweet corn & peas grown with several contractors around, but you need to get into a contract with that, only povide the land, plant, and fertilize it, they harvest & control it.


I'm disappointed with the lack of knowledge of farming around here. I know, person can't know it all, just surprised a more rural site like this folks aren't a little closer to a farm background.

I'm upset with the outright misinformation presented on GMO and conventional farming presented around here. It seems like an intentional effort at times to mislead people.

Thrugh it all, people can certainly have their own opinions and goals and wants for their own domain. I'm not about changing that. Grow, eat, buy what you are comfortable with - for sure!

Sure would be nice if we based things on actual facts tho. I understand both sides buy their data and so forth, but the 'understanding' around here is far below that level.

I'd think if the topic was important to a person, they would know the Terminator gene never worked out, that most gmo crops are animal feed, that most all cropland has used commercial fertilizers and herbicides and insecticides - off and on at least - for 40-60 years now, that many companies are selling gmo crops not just one, and so forth - things Dale & others pointed out. The simple facts, nothing too detailed?

You'd be surprised perhaps at how much I'd find in common with your side, if we could get the facts worked out a little closer to the truth to get a good sound foundation of just the simple facts. In other ag-based forums, I'm actually quite a bit against much of the far-reaching parts of all this.....

That is what is so frustrating.

--->Paul

Certain posters who are defending their product seem to think just because people support non-gmo and certified organic are city dwellers, make me laugh. I've lived in a city all of 2 years my entire life. I live in a rural town, surrounded by farms, lots of corn, soy, but other crops too. Many of my neighbors are farmers. I buy directly from some of them (the certified organic ones), all my meat, butter, eggs and whatever fruits and veggies i don't grow myself. Seems to me, they do a good business, their land certainly isn't suffering any and they employ jobs to a lot of locals---THATS where I chose for my cash to go. Sorry certain posters feel threatened when their way isn't shown to be the ONLY way to farm. I'm certainly NOT going to sit here and listen to a CANOLA farmer, who makes money off the crop and not believe that they have neutral interest in the topic. Of course you don't. right or wrong, you are going to defend your conventional style of farming and insult those who don't support it---much like the strong arm tactics used by those big chem companies---Intimidation tactics only make you look like a foaming at the mouth bully who people will less likely want to listen to, just so you know and anyone who is like that gets put on the ignore list

Wasn't trying to change anyone's mind about anything. I provided links to those folks WHO ARE interested in finding non-gmo sources of food. If that's not you, move on.

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Is there a reason on that you think a farmer that uses organic practices is smarter?