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Old 12/22/11, 01:22 AM
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Shannon, can you buy a chainlink dog kennel to lock your goats in at night? Maybe that would work until you can get a couple LGD's trained and ready to protect. It is what I did until we built a larger goat house to lock them in at night.
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Old 12/22/11, 11:00 AM
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"And domestic dogs belonging to neighbors will be your biggest challenge and biggest killers because it isn't as straightforward on how to handle them. "
As a former Director of Rabies and Animal Control for my Parish I suggest the 3 'S's. Shoot, shovel and Shut up. The Louisiana law allows that anyone can kill any animal, domestic or wild, on public or private property, that harasses livestock.
Usually works real well. The problem comes when people forget the third S.
That ones is just as important as the other two.
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A .22 Mag. works really well on coyotes and you don't have the expense and/or worry about the range of the higher powered rifles. .22 Mag. hollow point will take down any coyote I've ever seen. Relatively inexpensive cost for rifle and ammo. Have one and love it.

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Old 12/22/11, 07:01 PM
 
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A .22 Mag. works really well on coyotes and you don't have the expense and/or worry about the range of the higher powered rifles. .22 Mag. hollow point will take down any coyote I've ever seen. Relatively inexpensive cost for rifle and ammo. Have one and love it.

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I almost always grab a bigger rifle for coyotes, but you made me remember that I have killed quite a few with a 22 mag, or 22 WMR if anybody asks for one. And the cartridge worked quite well out to 125 yards or so. No complaints from the coyotes.
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"No complaints from the coyotes"

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Old 12/22/11, 11:23 PM
 
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Contact that poster that knows of 4 pyrenees who need a job. How great that would be, a pack of pyrenees ready to roll.

You don't need four dogs, two would do it, probably, but hey... what the heck. I'd take em all, if it was me.

Though if you have close neighbors, that could be another issue.... fencing in your dogs.

How many goats? I also agree with the poster about buying the kennel to lock them up in at night.

Or... a quick, secure, quonset-style barn you can build in maybe 2-4 hours: Four cattle panels, 10 t-posts, bailing twine to tie the panels to the t-posts in an arch shape, and a 16 x 20 foot tarp to cover it.

It looks like a big hoop house.

Then if you close up the ends with cattle panels, too, you've got a fortress, with lots of room for lots of goats or chickens or dogs or llamas or whatever, and it's very warm, too. I've had cougars where I've lived with my goats, and with one of these I didn't worry about anything getting inside. Of course, I put a dog or two inside, too. That helps.

Price? Give or take $200.

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Old 12/23/11, 09:08 PM
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coyotes

first are you trained and qualified to use the rifle.
2nd if you miss what will the bullet eventually hit.
even a lowly 22 can go a mile and hurt someone.
A .222 or .243 is plenty big enough.
But it is shot placement that kills not how big the rifle is.
You might try automated noise makers. They come in different types. Put a motion sensor up around the pen, so it goes off when they approach.
You can also use a stout wire fence inside or outside the pen, and an extra heavy
hot wire charger on a wire outside.
during daylight, you can take time out to "call" them in out in a field and shoot them out there.

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So we have them around here. I can hear them at night and when we were talking to a guy when we were buying fence tonight he told me that just one road over they are killing calves.

What is the best kind of rifle that will kill them? I assume I won't see them til it's dark but I plan to lie in wait with the goats so I figure I'll be fairly close - I just want to make sure they die and the goats are safe. Yes, I plan to get a couple of guard dogs or a donkeys but I need to do something now. It's faster to get a rifle than a dog that is used to being around goats right now.

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Thank you for the link and also for the messages with links.

Part of the trouble with trying to shoot coyote is that rarely do they allow anyone to see them! We have lived back here for ten years full time now and only two times have we seen the coyote. We hear them constantly and find their skat but only twice have we seen them. We have set up trail cams and have great photos - coyote are stunning animals.

Good luck with it. Stay Safe.
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Thank you for the link and also for the messages with links.

Part of the trouble with trying to shoot coyote is that rarely do they allow anyone to see them! We have lived back here for ten years full time now and only two times have we seen the coyote. We hear them constantly and find their skat but only twice have we seen them. We have set up trail cams and have great photos - coyote are stunning animals.

Good luck with it. Stay Safe.
they are great to look at and challenging to hunt (no matter how you hunt them). they are a great choice for home fur projects like coats & blankets.
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Old 12/27/11, 01:35 AM
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Okay, so let's back up here....Maybe I missed it in all the cross fire, but how many goats are you trying to contain and how much space are you planning give them???

We have high predator pressure in our area, mainly coyote, though occasional cat, coon and raptors....and we keep a host of fowl, plus 6 goats in two separate fenced in areas using 7, 5ft cattle panels X 7, 5 ft cattle panels - ample space for 2 - 4 goats. We also have a couple of farm collies that monitor the perimeter and bark heartily if anything comes near. The milking goats have barn shelter at night (the meat goats have a calf dome, that's it). The combination of sturdy cattle panels with no gaps, and the barking dogs have served us for well over a year - no losses, and no need for a gun even though we keep one by the back door. Some people use electric fencing with great success as well.

IT seems to me good fencing should be discussed long before the price of a gun, unless you plan on spending endless nights shivering in the cold and eating no-doze while holding a cold metal gun trying to guard your livestock. Coyotes are smart. They would be laughing, and not coming within range. Trust me.

If you don't have your livestock yet, unless your neighbor has good testimony, it doesn't sound like you're even certain of the amount of pressure you might even have, in which case - the type of fire arm to buy is IMO, jumping the gun a bit. Pun intended.

Good fencing and good dogs. Anything more serious - call a professional.
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Old 12/27/11, 10:39 AM
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Since you're working on fence anyway, put in some hot wires....you'll be amazed at how much coyotes ( and any other canines ) hate getting zapped.
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