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Ho ya, we've found so many arrow heads here that we paved our driveway with them, OK I'm lying! I wish I did find one, it must give you such a wonderful sense of history. Thanks for sharing.
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12/08/11, 01:45 PM
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Some of my fondest memories as a child was going arrowhead hunting with my family. We all have nice little collections (my granddad had a HUGE collection and my dad's is about half that).
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12/08/11, 05:54 PM
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There are more pics on my page. I love hunting rocks. 
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Nice collection there Cindy!
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12/08/11, 08:57 PM
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The top left looks like a Gary point. If the size of each are large and appear to be then they would have been hafted and become cutting tools more than likel. Too heavy to shoot. Some were attached to cane and with short attachment of cane then were attached to longer cane and used as a spear. The Points look to be paleo points and with maybe no tribe affilation at that time. One appears to be a Dalton. Where several are found in one place is a cache or saved for later use.
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My feelings exactly. The third one to the right top row is an unfinished Dalton, it has not yet been fluted and the edges have not been sharpened. A blank so to speak. They are all definitely Paleo, through archaic to early Woodland. The Dalton is typical to the archaic period but some have been found in early Woodland contexts, most likely recycled through the years. I think the notched ones are later archaic to early early woodland.
These killed mammoths and mega bison, kewl huh! That's why I loved archaeology.
So, as far as I know, no affiliations have been proven between paleo and woodland peoples and modern tribes but, these are so ancient it really does not matter, they are neat anyway.
BTW one of my first finds doing archaology was a Dalton point at Dust Cave in Florence, Al. It was in context with a very strange burial, she had been a bad girl evidently. Usually these folks buried the dead in a fetal position on their sides but, she was face down! Since the slough the cave was in was called Coffee slough, I named her Mrs. Coffee.
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12/08/11, 11:29 PM
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The third one in that row is rather common and many people can't understand why there are no notches for binding to a shaft. The shaft was bound to hold the point in place.
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Can you please elaborate or show a link that has pics? I have friends who hunt arrowheads and they have some of those in their collections. I never understood how they fastened and functioned.
This is quite an interesting thread!
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12/08/11, 11:50 PM
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Can you please elaborate or show a link that has pics? I have friends who hunt arrowheads and they have some of those in their collections. I never understood how they fastened and functioned.
This is quite an interesting thread!
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They fit into a slot in the shaft and then the binding, and possibly pitch, held the point in place. Often those are thin at the bottom end. First and sixth points on the below site shows that type.
www.ou.edu/cas/archsur/OKArtifacts/points.htm
Extreme example is the one shown in heading of the title page of the next site.
www.westernartifacts.com/paleo.htm
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12/09/11, 12:27 AM
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Awesome links! Thank you for posting.
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The third one to the right top row is an unfinished Dalton, it has not yet been fluted and the edges have not been sharpened. A blank so to speak. They are all definitely Paleo, through archaic to early Woodland. The Dalton is typical to the archaic period but some have been found in early Woodland contexts, most likely recycled through the years. I think the notched ones are later archaic to early early woodland.
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Wow, this turning into such a educational thread!! Thanks for all the great pictures too!
So my points are all older then the 'tribes' that would have been in my area, such as the Winnebago? So we're talking older groups of paleo-archaic indians over a thousand years old!? Wow...
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12/09/11, 09:31 PM
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When growing up I use to find quit a few arrowheads out in our garden. But now days they are quit scarce. I'm the third generation to own the garden spot and it's purty well picked over.
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I searched for arrowheads as a kid, and regrettably I've never found one. I have two cool stories about arrow heads, though. My best friend Tom, was with his two boys as the boys were exploring the Olentangy River north of Columbus. As the boys were engaged in whatever they were doing, Tom thought to himself..."I think I'll look for an arrowhead." As he turned his gaze to the ground, right at his feet, he found one, not ten seconds after he decided to look for one!. I have another good friend, whose family owns a farm in Coshocton Co. Ohio. Their neighbor was plowing a field and uncovered a cache of 400 points. I guess the Indians used to bury them in the ground to keep them from drying out. Anyway, from what I understand this was one of the largest finds in a single cache (in Ohio) and my friend (who was a geology major in school) offered the neighbor $400 for the whole shooting match. The guy sold them to my friend. My friend took the best dozen to a fellow to have them appraised, and when the guy asked my friend how much he paid, my friend said, "$400". The appraiser replied, "Your finest point is worth what you paid for the entire collection!" Needless to say, my friend was pleased.
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This reminds me of a time when my oldest sister had sent her daughter(8 yrs old) down to stay with us for a few days. She kept tagging along with my youngest sister(16 maybe) all day and this was making my youngest sister a bit annoyed. So my youngest sister told the neice "Why don't you go out in the garden and look for arrowheads?" The neice sayed "Okay", and took off to the garden. She wasn't gone but maybe 2 minutes when she walked back in and said "Here's one". She had in her hand a perfect arrowhead that she had found and we was all amazed of how fast she found it and how perfect it was.
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Around here all the points are obsidian, although the daughter of a friend found a perfect flint point in an obsidian area.
I often find little obsidian chips, maybe an inch or more long, that aren't point shaped. I will handle them a while and suddenly find a way to hod them that doesn't cut me and exposes one razor sharp edge in perfect position to cut something. Those were the common knives. There weren't many sawed off antler butts lashed to big blades like the knife catalogs sell.
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Hey ED, did you ever make any arrowheads with any of those flintrocks I sent you? Well I still have the Osidian rocks you sent me and still haven't done anything with them. One of these days tho! One of these days!
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12/09/11, 09:36 PM
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That third one on the top row was completed. It was damaged later. Or, it may even have been a knife. Only would need one good edge for that.
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12/09/11, 09:44 PM
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Ah! There was a good visual on how it fastened... Thank you for posting.
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12/09/11, 10:18 PM
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Wow, this turning into such a educational thread!! Thanks for all the great pictures too!
So my points are all older then the 'tribes' that would have been in my area, such as the Winnebago? So we're talking older groups of paleo-archaic indians over a thousand years old!? Wow...
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The site linked below will explain when some shapes evolved. They began with no side notches. Then the notched ones came into being. The last ones went back to no notches.
www.uwlax.edu/mvac/PointGuide/PointGuide.htm
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12/09/11, 11:21 PM
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Hey ED, did you ever make any arrowheads with any of those flintrocks I sent you? Well I still have the Osidian rocks you sent me and still haven't done anything with them. One of these days tho! One of these days! 
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Step 1 with most projects is to gather the materials. Step 2 can take years.
I'm not a real flintknapper, I beat on rocks with various antlers and copper pipes until I destroy the workpiece. I broke one of yours to see how it broke. Not nearly as sharp as the obsidian. I made sparks with a piece of it, that worked great.
Last year we were skinning some elk and DS wanted to use obsidian. I broke a nodule in half, then took a fat slice off one half. Ended up with a thick almost circular piece, razor sharp on one edge. It was so easy to slice open the hide and skin with that. Ridiculously sharp.
A friend took me to an obsidian factory up in the hills above his farm once. The injuns came there to make rough blanks, then they packed them back to where they lived instead of lugging the big rocks. There were tons of small chips and flakes and broken pieces laying around an acre.
Everybody should try using sinew like in the pictures. It is amazing stuff. There is a big hunk of it on the back of an elk or deer or moose or cow leg, running down to between the hooves. It is easy to slice out and doesn't rot as fast as meat, so even an older road kill can be salvaged. Set it aside to dry. You can also get a thin flat sheet off the loin by the backbone, before you cut off the meat. Spread it out to dry flat. When it has dried, beat the round foot tendon and it will separate into threads from thick to thin, depending on how much you beat. When you want to tie on an arrowhead or join anything to anything else, wet a thread in water, or suck on it a few seconds until wet. Wrap it around. Add another thread, until you get enough. Let it dry and it shrinks while drying and gets tight. The back sinew will come off in threads as long as the sheet you skinned off so you can sew with those or do one long wrap. If you want to back a flatbow you take small pinches of it and stick them on the bow with hide glue, continue adding more down the length of the bow to the desired thickness. When it dries, it will reflex the bow a severe amount, so be careful how much you put. And it increases the draw weight a whole bunch. Fun stuff.
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12/10/11, 11:02 AM
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wow, great finds. I was picking up rocks in the garden bemoaning never finding any arrowheads even thought this farm sits on a ridge where tribes commonly camped in the summer...reached down and there was a perfect bird point! Its my totem. We have perfect type flint here and our neighbor does flint knapping.
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12/20/11, 05:43 AM
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There was a mention of someone saying that they were going to look for an arrowhead and immediately found one. Several miles of drainage ditch was cleared out one winter. Walking in it in the following winter was great for hunting rabbits. One day, I was walking in the ditch and a picture of an arrowhead popped into my mind. I continued on and there was a perfect 4" drill partway up the side of the bank. I went back and retraced my tracks to see if I may have actually seen an arrowhead but could not find one.
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LOL,When I spotted this one in my watermelon patch,I was running some mighty bad words through my mind about that deer that was making tracks across my wm patch  .Then I reached down and picked the track up.
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12/20/11, 08:44 AM
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We was talking in church a couple weeks ago. Guy said his dad said he hated to plow a certain field, as they plowed bardfoot here at that time, cause the field was full of arrowheads and they cut his feet,
One would think, an indian wouldnt lose so many arrows. I doubt that they had all that great distance that if he missed his target he could go retreve his arrowhead.
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12/20/11, 03:58 PM
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There is a book or movie or such titled something like the 6th degree. All of the people of the world know each other if it passes through at not more than six people.
I don't know Dr. Bruce Bradley but I have met his parents and one brother. In the movie of James Mitchner's Centential, it showed a guy chipping out points. That was Dr. Bruce Bradley. He is acknowledged as being on the first to try to trying understand Native American Indian cultures by reliving their experience.
All Native American Indians being of Asian origin? I rather doubt that given the differences between the tribes and distance.
In The Dark and Bloody River Allen Eckhart gives the history of the US as it relates to the Ohio River. He says when the Seneca came into the area across the Mississippi from the West they were totally different than tribes there in language, culture and beliefs.
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12/20/11, 04:58 PM
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Yes, but theres a VAST difference in time from the first humans came here, from wherever they came from, and the time in the last 4 or 5 centurys when they became differently recognizable as different tribes.
Noahs sons were Ham Shem Japath. They became us, each and every one of us. Black white red and oriental. Yet they started out from the same family. In my family there were 3 boys also. Hard to believe such diversity could come from us, BUT it did come from them. Just takes time.
It didnt take nearly as much time for the humans from wherever to come over here, and repopulate the Americas, and then to have a distinceness at/from various locations.
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