PETA lawsuit seeks to expand animal rights

Also helps with the fund raising.................

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I have rescued a lot of animals. I turn any abuse over to the sheriff. That is why our county lock up is full. I also see the need to educate people about what is abuse and what is not. Some of the abuse is not abuse at all. It is not inhumane to keep a domesticated animals in a pen as long as you feed them and water them and don't abuse them. In my state it is not rampant abuse but a few give us a bad name.

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Just out of curiosity, they have now started a porn site to support animal rights (yes PETA); do you have any qualms over that? I think most of us on here are for the humane treatment of animals but some of us would also consider porn to be exploiting human females. Attacking a majority of forum members like your doing on a site that involves keeping and using animals for sustenance seems like a poor way to advance your views.

Personally, I just watched a PBS program tonight called Nature that was about the rapidly expanding population of Burmese Pythons in Florida and how they are mostly released pets and are decimating indigenous wildlife in that state. You and I might agree that keeping exotic species for pets is wrong and importing them into this country should be outlawed but instead of working from some common ground like that to advance some of your views you seem intent on alienating folks and just cementing the notion that animal rights activists are out of touch with any form of reality. Mission accomplished.

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How 'bout they all get caged together.......at Sea World? Now that would be entertainment.

The problem here is that you have no idea of what Peta is about. You think that they are about saving puppies and improving conditions for livestock.

You are wrong.

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You may not but I do. Ciao.

I have no problem discussing the issue at hand with others that are interested in an intelligent debate. Unfortunately, as I hinted to earlier, this site is full of people who would rather throw out personal insults and negativity than keep on the thread topic. Honestly, if that is what I wanted, then I would hang out in General Chat.

I was waiting for someone to bring up his name! Someone should take a poll-to see how many know his agenda...this is his doing, no doubt.

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There's people here from PETA?? Folks that think their animals should be represented by counsel?
Quick, show yourselves...

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MILK??? Are you kidding? I hope its not from a cow or goat, for peta's sake...

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Intelligent debate it is then, you are entitled to your opinion regarding the issue of circuses and animal parks. Let's however look at the legal application of the bill of rights to non-human species. It is inapropriate and a gross misuse of this revered document. Put aside the issue of circuses and animal parks, can't you at least agree the animals don't have constitutional rights?

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As mentioned (but ignored) previously, the precident has long been set by the listed case where a Ford Thunderbird was charged with criminal posession of an illegal firearm.

There is also the legal establishment of a person by virtue of articles of incorporation. That person can indeed be charged and prosecuted.

As well the establishment of anti-animal cruelty laws that give clear legal rights of protection to specified animals. Violation of those rights granted by law can result in the criminal prosecution of those who violate them.

There is also the interesting problem with what is the definition of a person. This has always been a problem, with various categories of people being regarded as non-people throughout history, including US history. Black, female, handicapped, etc.

What a person is is becoming more complex once again with genome research and sythesisation. As well the precise definition of alive and dead. Resusitation of a legally declared dead person creates tremendous legal problems (termination of medical coverage, retirement benefits, etc. Arguements for a second birth certificate, etc). Fascinating stuff!

With genetic modifications rapidly becoming possible, the arguments that the new person is not legally the original person, and therefore not legally a person at all. Is a cloned person going to legally be their own person, or will they simply be a legal copy? If they are replicated by a facility, are they in fact simply the property of that facility? If they are property, can they be disposed of as property?

It goes on and on.

Genome research is showing we share far more traits and blueprint material than many previously thought. What degree of seperation will be required for "human" definition? Which gets right back into previous biases afore mentioned. As well splicing and adding. When we can add feathers to skin (and it's not far off), will that person no longer be a person because of it? Feathers are ok? What about brain alterations?

Gnomes know far more then they're letting on.

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Seriously.....the problems that are going on in this world, even just in our own country, and this is what a group of people believe needs to be made into law. This is why the world is screwed up. Instead of rubbing brain cells together and coming up with solutions to problems, people join on some stupid idea and create PETA, which gets lots of stupid attention and for what.....to help some orcas, and to make sure that people arent wearing fur coats. I am all for helping animals and no animals should be abused, but there are also more pressing matters going on then to waste government time on this crap.

I'm all for animal welfare - it's a good thing. If PETA wants to step in on issues such as CAFOs, I might actually join them. But only because there are solid reasons why CAFOs should not exist; not because I simply think, along with my peers, that they should not exist. And this is a major problem with PETA thinking: There is very little science backing their claims up, it is mostly emotional opinion. Furthermore, without us, many domesticated animals would suffer. And without domesticated animals, many of us humans would suffer as well, such as anemic people who rely on the high iron content of red meat, and many poor people who rely on them as a means to pay their bills. Certainly there is animal abuse, and I can't say I like it any more than you, yet aren't there far larger problems in the world than whether or not Fifi gets put in a kennel at night?
As for constitutional rights for animals, who are they going to vote for? Who's going to pay their taxes? What about wild animals; every time an owl kills a mouse, fine it? Nature is a gigantic killing machine; it is the circle of life and there is no getting around that. Coyotes kills small, sick animals and will eat each other as well.
Does the fact that this is not the wild make any difference? It is still real life, and animals have their uses - they cannot be above us. We use them for shoes, for art, for industrial purposes, for food, for money, for enjoyment, and lots else. There are entire chain stores and small shops devoted to nothing but using animals skin!
www.tandyleatherfactory.com
Who can deny that animals skin can be turned into something of sheer beauty and functionality and durability, something that is extremely hard to achieve via man's Inventions of toxic, environmentally degrading plastics, etc?
There is an entire magazine devoted to nothing but how to heal your land, yourself, and your customers and make money, all at the same time, with livestock:
www.stockmangrassfarmer.net
This is reality. PETA rarely finds reality as good as this.
Do the animals get guns? Do the sick ones get free vet care? Do they get insurance? Who teaches them to drive? Why doesn't DADDY pay any attention to them?!
Does the whole world suddenly revolve around animals? It cannot, for a simple reason: God said we are above them. Any means of placing animals on an equal footing is, well, not only stupid but unbiblical.

Any person, so matter how molested by GE, is still a person, since they have a soul. Ownership is therefore clearly a violation of everything.

Uh oh.....I never thought about this, but if Orcas are granted constitutional rights and then break the law (murdering a seal or something), then someone must read them their Miranda rights in their own language. I sure hope someone is boning up on their Orac-speak skills or we may have a bunch of unhappy criminal orcas who's rights are being violated.

I'm no lawyer, but the application of the law can't happen in a vacuum. Our laws, and the application of those laws have unexpected, and unwanted consequences.

Example, last year our town closed the main street down to traffic for Halloween, under the assumption that it would be safer for the kids (despite the fact that no child had ever been injured by a car on that street on Halloween before). The end result was that parents drove their children from far and wide and dropped them off on this one "safe" street and residents ran out of candy early. An unintended result was that since they could not drive on the street, parents were dropping kids off, and meeting them on the other end of the street, leading to a great number of unaccompanied kids. They have reverted to the old laws for this year.

Back to PETA. Say they actually get everything they want... Animals have the same rights as humans. We all become vegans. All animals in parks and zoos and circuses and farms are...what? Released to the wild? Can they survive? Do we put them down, rather than get food, education, and enjoyment from them? Seems like a waste to me.

Do animals include insects? Invertibrates? Do we give rights to plants? Do we all go on a synthetic diet (like on Star Trek)? OMG, how many microbes do I kill walking around my yard?

Not so simple in real life as in the courtroom, is it? I know this is extreme, but much like the OWS movement, I'd like to know the end result before I support a cause. Of course, if PETA is just looking for free publicity (as they are prone to do based on their annual attempt at a Super Bowl ad), then all of this is just a big publicity stunt. That's where I'm placing my bet.

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Here is the exact problem.

I can't believe any sane person would support an organization like PETA if they actually knew what they were "about".

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Judge: Is this true?
Defendant's lawyer: No, it is not. My dungarees merely tripped over him.
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