PETA lawsuit seeks to expand animal rights

Raven
The question I have for You is . PITA , Openly , Proudly , and Financially Supports ALF's Terrorist Activities . DO YOU ? I know You won't waste Your time looking at any links that are posted , so I will post them so others can draw there own conclusion's .

I will post there own web site ( No Photo Shopping )
http://www.animalliberationfront.com/index.html
How about where they Brag and Take Credit for the Actions .
http://www.animalliberationfront.com...USA/alfusa.htm
There list of Claims for 2011 ( is Your State Listed ? )
http://www.animalliberationfront.com..._USA-index.htm
More terrorist acts of there's
http://www.furcommission.com/attack/
http://www.kxly.com/news/29475288/detail.html
Bandit

I will post a list of PITA's most famous supporters so We as a group , can un support there movies and music if we want , I know I do .
http://www.looktothestars.org/charity/15-peta And some companies that support them http://www.peta.org/donate/ways-to-s...s-friends.aspx
As much as I am sure some of You here would like to see the pictures of one of there Biggest Supporters , Pamela Anderson . I am Not going to get slapped for posting Her PITA Pic's .
Bandit

Could you please support this statement? I did a search and all I could find was reference to a grant contest voted on on the net. There was some concern that HSUS would win the grant. I couldn't find if they ever received any money.

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Libertarindependent

Not that it will mean anything, but I am going to stick my 2 cents in anyway: The thing that PETA and animal rights activists never mention is what will happen to all these animals when they can no longer be harvested for food? If all meat, milk, poultry and egg operations ceased business today, there would be a massive starvation, disease and die off of these animals, most of which can not survive without being tended by humans. How long do you think dairies and cattle farms and poultry houses can feed these animals once they can no longer be used for food? How do you think that the billons of people who live in cities and rely on this food supply will survive?

I am 51 years old, grew up on a farm, and live on a small farm now. I even had a little teenage infatuation with the animal rights movement back in the 70's, so I am not ignorant of their message . But, I aged and wised up, and realized that 90% of people no longer associate that bag of frozen chicken breast portions with a live chicken or that tube of hamburger with a cow that somebody had to kill. They are able to conveniently forget that somewhere, that object on thier plate was a living, breathing animal. Because they didn't "kill" it, they are innocent.

This is America, we are still free to believe differently and strive for different goals, but I would suggest before anyone tries to outlaw what I put on my plate, that they do the research on what they put on their own plate.

For me and mine, supper tonight will be a slow cooked, beef stew, made from a fattened, Jersey bull that we butchered this year. He had a name (Cletis), and was well tended, hand fed and treated with kindness, respect and affection every day of his life.

Nothing gives you the sense of responsibility and an awareness of the reverence of life like raising the meat you eat. Next year's beef is named Conan and he lives in a grassy field with his herd mates and our milk cows. I can't say whether we own our animals or they own us, but we fully understand that we are entrusted with thier care and we take this seriously. We honor our animals in life and death, we give to them and they give back to us. Tonight at supper we will give thanks for both the excellent beef in our stew and for this stewardship of the land and animals that God has graced us with.

I do not condone mistreatment of an animal or a human. But animal abuse and the choice to raise and consume meat are two completely different things. We are a nation of differences--please tell me why PETA or anyone else should be allowed to control what I eat? Our constitution was meant to restrict government, not to encumber the people with more and more restrictions of thier personal freedoms.

I will not attempt to control what you eat, or how you live, but you must understand that life works both ways and I will also not allow you to control how I eat or live.

This really is the problem with groups like peta, hsus, al Queda, etc. It is not enough that they are free to live their lives as they see fit but they feel the need to cram their agendas down everyone elses throats.

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Tink, I believe it is a control issue. The PETA supporters, hsus, al Queda, etc are all emotionally bombarded with a message carefully construed to keep them enanamored of the cause, to keep them feeling virtuous, whatever flavor the cause is. From that point it becomes like a pyramid scheme with the believers fundraising and recruiting new members to fundraise and recruit and so on and on. Somewhere at the the very tip top of all these "causes" is someone controlling the minds and purses of the millions below.
Some figure it out, most never do.

Yeah, I just looked and couldn't find anything on what I posted ether. I heard it a few years ago from a girl I worked with who was a HUGE peta supporter. She came in one day and was excited because she just found out that peta had made pepsi stop animal testing and (pepsi) was gonna give them a big donation. Then I had a family member who worked for one of the big hunting and camping stores and they were told, by their HQ i think, that they couldn't get a pepsi machine in there break room cause of some agreement pepsi had with peta. But who knows for sure cause you would think that you would be able to find information on it posted somewhere. Sorry if I jumped the gun. Hope no one stated dumping their MtDew yet. Ill keep looking though and let you know if I do find something.

Pepsi did agree to stop animal testing. Not a big deal to me as long as Pepsi didn't actually give them any money.

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PETA and Pepsi
How about going direct to the source ? they could Never keep quiet about a big victory like that .

http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/a...mal-tests.aspx
http://www.peta.org/living/beauty-an...s/default.aspx

And My Favorite PETA Demand
That Ben and Jerry replace cow's milk in there ice cream with Human Breast Milk to lessen the Suffering in Dairy Cows .
http://www.wptz.com/r/17539127/detail.html
Bandit
Raven
I can't wait to read Your Defense

As I said, not a big deal to me. I don't give a rats behind if cheetos are tested on mice or not.

As long as Pepsi isn't funding these crazies I don't care.

I don't test on animals, this doesn't make me a peta supporter.

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Tinknal
I think what You might of heard about was this .
http://www.huntersagainstpeta.com/pe...-the-hsus-250k


It would appear that Pepsi also supports gay Rights to the tune of $ 500,000.
http://queersunited.blogspot.com/200...-to-pflag.html

Here’s a quote from the founder of PETA:

“If anybody wonders ‘what’s this with all these reforms?’, you can hear us clearly. Our goal is total animal liberation, and the day when everyone believes that animals are not ours to eat, not ours to wear, not ours to experiment [on], and not ours for entertainment or any other exploitive purpose.”

Ingrid Newkirk, Founder of PETA 2002

om the link I posted earlier has her saying it. so no one can say that it was just twisted words.

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Jonathon, I appreciate your honesty and sincerity. It feels like a conversation with myself 30 years ago. I don't know how old you are, but you seem young.

Any way, you talked about the "harm" man has done by domesticating animals and selectively breeding them to need us. Let's start with the obvious. I don't believe man bred them to need us. We bred them to better fit our needs. Semantics, yes, but still pertinent.

A wolf would make a dubious companion, but the modern dog can't be beat. A jungle fowl is small, flighty, and a seasonal breeder. A common chicken is meaty, easy to handle, and lays eggs almost year round. Most of us wouldn't want or be able to go back to the wild version of the animals we raise. It wouldn't be economically feasible.

On the other hand, you have that choice. When you begin selecting animals you can select breed that tend to be closer to the wild animals they came from. Guinea fowl are a good example. You can barely call them domestic in the best of times. They tend to want to wander, fly, and sleep on roofs and in trees. They also tend to be killed off by predators every year. You can keep guineas safe, but they won't appreciate it. You might like raising them. Olde English Game Hens are another old time breed that harken back to their ancestors. They might suit you as well. Turkeys and ducks are easy since wild turkeys and mallard ducks are both readily available (you may need a permit from your state though).

Having said that, it still comes down to economics. You say you don't "own" your cat. Well, eventually you will probably need to buy poultry. Once you pay good money for them, brood them, build housing for them, you will likely want to get something from them. I see it as an exchange of services. I provide my livestock food and safe housing in exchange for eggs, meat, or milk. If the livestock doesn't keep it's end of the bargain, then I can't afford to keep them around. However, if they do perform well for me, then I'll breed them and the line continues.

Which brings me to my final point. If PETA wins in court, and gets exactly what they demand, many, many breeds of animals will cease to exist. Go to the American Livestock breeds conservancy ( www.albc-usa.org ) and look at the many heritage breeds in danger of extinction. These are animals that never existed in the wild. We created them through selective breeding and it is up to us to preserve them, or watch them disappear forever. I have a breeding flock of Cayuga ducks, which is a threatened breed. I raise Narragansett turkeys, also threatened. PETA would see these breed extinct before they would want to see me give them a home. And THAT is why we disagree and fight PETA tooth and nail (excuse the pun).

We aren't fighting with you, exactly. You said you jumped in and it surprised you that most of us simply poked fun at PETA supporters. Please understand, this too is based on past experience. Most of us didn't need to rehash the merits of PETA's position. Been there, done that. We just jumped straight to the fun part, bashing them for the quacks that they are (pun definately intended).

Please stick with HTD. All in all, we are a good bunch. This is one of the more most contentious threads I've ever seen outside of General Chat. (Don't be in a hurry to jump into general chat without a flameproof suit.) But you should feel free to post questions in the breed forums. You will find many people who are experts to give direction and advice. Enjoy.

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PETA needs their supporters. Someone has to pay for those gigantic salaries and the million dollar vacation retreats.

but she has no qualms injecting the insulin made from monkeys every day

Please check your "facts:"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin#Synthesis_2

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This is true now, but she used to use the porcine insulin. She openly admitted it. Her excuse was that it was ok because her life was more important due to the fact that she was helping millions of animals with her life.

That would be from pigs.

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