TransCanada\Keystone Pipeline.....Sell US ROW or We Wll SUE YOU

Here's the full lowdown on the Ogallala. This report is from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology:
http://web.mit.edu/12.000/www/m2012/...undwater.shtml

The Ogallala is doomed by agriculture and irrigation. Depletion of the aquifer has DOUBLED since 1980 and if it continues being depleted at the rate that's happening now it will be gone before 2025. If the extraordinary surface evaporation that is happening to it right now continues (droughts, heat) it could be depleted in 5 years.

When the Ogallala is depleted the USA will need to use its oil to power the machinery to bring fresh water to the land.

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Yep.
Yet another reason farm is a four letter "F" word at my house...

However, that doesn't change the fact that only fools would deliberately allow a pipeline through the Sandhills, when moving it a 100 miles or so to the east would be much safer.

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Well I don't know what the sandhills are but I do know what the tarsands are. I'm sure that both environments are equally fragile each in their own way.

I want you to understand I'm not trying to be flippant when I say this okay? There has to be some balance, some tit for tat, some of the old you scratch my back and I'll scratch your back. If Canada is willing to disrupt I don't know how many millions of square miles of Canadian land and environment to produce the oil and deliver it hundreds of miles from the far north by pipeline through her own populated and agricultural lands to the USA then the USA has to cooperate and disrupt some of its' own land and environment if the USA wants the oil.

Otherwise, if USA can't do that then the Canadian oil will go elsewhere. USA has 10 times the population, 10 times the need and way more at stake and way more to lose than just oil if it can't find a way to accomodate the delivery of the oil.

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Millions of square miles? The plural would denote at least 2 million square miles. What is Canada's area? I'll take a guess at 3,854,085 square miles. So over half of it is going in to tar sand oil production?

You are correct and millions was an exaggerated guess. The Alberta oilsands only take up thousands of square miles (in green).

See? One little chunk in the middle of all that untouched land. Not so bad, is it?

Just so people get a better idea of what we're talking about here. The Keystone existing pipeline is the solid orange line and the proposed KeystoneXL addition to the pipeline is the dotted yellow line.

Heh. If I had my own way it would remain untouched.



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And what about that plot of land your house is built upon? Shouldn't it be left untouched? And the building that houses the server that gets you on the internet?

Ed, I'm not going to quibble with you over silly red herrings such as dwellings and internet services. I think you know my stance on our society's extravagant, greedy consumption of oil and that I think it should be conserved and used wisely. However, it doesn't look like that's going to happen and our society has now become totally and irrevocably dependent on oil. So I give up. Now I think the sooner all that oil gets taken out of the earth and all used up just as fast as possible so there's none left .... the better it will be for the earth and any living things remaining that survived the rape and pollution of the earth.

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I have to agree with this. Lets just use it up and get over it. Of course, who knows what happens then? Glad I'm stocking up.

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Libertarindependent

guess maybe we would rather send the $ to the terrorists??

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TransCanada has gotten plenty of money from the State of Alaska already, with no results on the "open season" supplied. The state is on the hook for 500 million, with treble damages should AGIA fail.

This is the proposed gas line from the North Slope to the Midwest (Chicago area). However, most folks that think about this in Alaska, believe that TransCanada wants the gas to develop the tar sands, for fracking, etc.

Since it's not economically feasible (based on gas prices, with a glut on the world markets just now) I don't see this happening in my lifetime, and probably not my son's lifetime either.

TransCanada would build it and operate the pipeline, with the lease holders with gas, would pay for "space/volume" in the line with written commitments for x number of years. The state of Alaska "leadership" is so short sighted, they can't even figure out that they ought to pursue a value added industry down here in Southcentral where there is plenty of LAND at tidewater. Bah humbug. We are about to become the biggest welfare state in our nation's history

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This explains it all.
If you did, there would be no confusion on your part.

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I really don't see how a pipeline rupture could be large enough to affect an aquifer. A pipeline is not like a gusher in a well, all you have to do is turn off the tap. Damage would be minimal, localized, and easy to clean up.

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Libertarindependent

You obviously don't know what the Sandhills are, either.

Really... Why can't they just re-route??

Keystone XL Primer: Why Nebraska Is Ground Zero in the Pipeline Fight

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That's the impression that I had... it was overtaxed, basically mined (since it's mostly Ice Age water that charged the aquifer.) It's fossil water, that can't be replaced in a dozen lifetimes. Once it's 'gone', the Great Plains will once again be what it was originally called... the Great American Desert. Only a few population centers surrounding rivers and isolated pockets of the Oglalla will exist.

So, this is why I mentioned 'protecting' the drinking water, at least concerning the Oglalla... 'What Oglalla'? It's almost gone.

I'm also for going oil free/carbon free. Leave all the oil and gas in the earth... it all boils down to, what do we do with that 6.8 billion extra souls who's lives depend on it? We're supposedly due to make 7 billion before the end of the year. 7 billion souls can't be sustained without the life giving black carbon (coal, tar, or crude oil).

So, until we do have a little virus that comes along and cleanses humanity, I think we've got to keep dancing with the one that 'brung' us... [Oil]

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You haven't shown how these leaks affected any aquifers or did any long term or unrepairable damage.

rerouting a pipeline 100 miles would add at least several hundred miles to the line and cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

Gratuitous attacks on my knowledge of the sandhills are just ignorant and juvenile. It is clear to me that you are too emotional to think clearly on this subject.

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Libertarindependent

The ogallala is not gone, at least not here in Nebraska. As per the MIT article linked above in 2000 in Nebraska the aquifer increased This was not glacial water. In texas it may be in trouble due low recharge rates. I would almost guarantee that in Ne the aquifer increased again this year, mainly due to large snow pack in Wyoming and Colorado and adequate rainfall.

A little education on the Nebraska sandhills. I believe it is the largest area of stabilized sand dunes in the world. It is dotted with multitudes of swallow lakes, these lakes are not surface runoff they are actually the ogallala aquifer surfaceing. The sand is the reason the aquifer recharges so easily here in Nebraska. The aquifer is not endless but is quite viable here. Just because something is true in one area does not mean it applies everywhere.
The major debate in this state is not whether or not to build the pipeline, but the siteing of the pipeline. AS the posting of nature lovers map. Nebraska wants it to follow a route similar to the pepeline already present.

I live near Patoka IL, and um I have NO PROBLEMS with this pipeline! We got plenty of oil E&P going on in this area. Another pipe in the ground is no big deal!!

Unless they did something stupid like The CENTENNIAL PIPELINE PROJECT.

http://si-cactus.com/