TransCanada\Keystone Pipeline.....Sell US ROW or We Wll SUE YOU

It's been in the works for years.
Here's a link to a Sierra Club article;
http://southdakota.sierraclub.org/Li...nePipeline.htm

The oil sands WILL BE UTILIZED, weather it is by the US, or China. Stopping the pipeline would just mean that the economic benefits from the project goes to China.

Haven't we shipped enough jobs and cash to China?

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Libertarindependent

All you do is copy and paste the URL address at the top of the screen

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fishhead is absolutely correct. The tar sands is not a good project. Environmentally it is already a huge disaster and nothing has even gone seriously wrong yet . Economically it is also a bad project that does not produce cheap oil. One barrel of energy needed to produce 5 barrels of oil. A well is one to 50 or 100. But nothing is going to stop it because the US sees it as secure and friendly oil available right now and Canada sees the opportunity to make mega bucks. What should not be forgotten is that it is still foreign oil.

.......from a friendly country that has a negative trade balance with the US. Canada is our sister. We like Canada. We have the same goals and aspirations. Canada is a country we should support.

I can say with reasonable certainty that none of the money that we spend in Canada ends up in the hands of Terrorist organizations. Can you say that about the money going towards other countries that we buy oil from?

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I agree the more we trade with our Northern neighbor the better it is for both of us.

My desire to see Bob and Doug McKenzie as delegates to an OPEC meeting outweighs my respect for property rights on the pipeline route.

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We are each others biggest trading partners and we share the worlds longest undefended border but I agree with what Prime Minister Trudeau said at the Washington Press Club:

"Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt."

Canada must do what is best for Canada. If that happens to coincide with what is best for the USA that is great but then again if it does not...we are a separate nation.

We like the USA. I have many American friends and family and can honestly say I have never met more generous or friendly people. That is not to say that I agree with everything the USA does just as my American friends and family do not agree or understand everything that we do in Canada. We are cousins but different in many ways.

If you are referring to Islamic terrorists I know that Canada is doing everything possible to prevent money from falling into their hands since it is our problem as well but we trade with Cuba - something the Bush and the Obama governments were/are very upset about. Not to mention the millions that went to the IRA and the FLQ in the past.

Ummmmm, nope. You totally missed the point.

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Libertarindependent

I understand that you are referring to countries where money goes directly from the oil field to the terrorists. The US hopes to become less dependent on unfriendly countries and on oil from areas of turmoil. But friendly or not oil is business and if one country cannot pay there are others already waiting. Canada and the US have SOME of the same goals and aspirations but we are still an independent nation and a foreign country just as the US is a foreign country to us.

Few years ago here in southern MN, the town of Hutchinson wanted a bigger natural gas line, so they got fedral money to pay for most of it, and then condemned a path of entire farms for their route - they were condemning the land and would pick the actual path later, as they were digging - no pre-planning, not working out costs & issues with the landowners. Farmers got together & hired lawyers, as _nothing_ was getting paid for, nothing was done right, tile lines were being damaged, etc. etc.

Made no difference, judge was on their side, actually things were getting decided in court a day ahead of schedule, blah blah.

Was just a miserable, terrible deal, but - no one cared. Folks in the city got their cheap natural gas, and life went on.

In the end, if it don't happen to you, then it's no big deal, and people have to have their gas, so sit down & keep quiet, no big deal......

I disageee with that of couse, but how it is in todays world.

--->Paul

Please list all of the liberal energy producing companies.

It's fine and dandy to promote conservation. Before you can conserve something, you have to first produce it (at least as far as energy is concerned)

I daresay I'm wayyyy more liberal than anyone on this site, when it comes to the environment. Unfortunately, I was exposed to a toxic dose of reality, early in life, and never have been detoxified. Until we shrink our pop levels by 99% or more, that evil black juice is needed, to keep everyone alive. I'd love it to death, if we didn't need oil... and we could all live off our solar panels (which I've done in the past, I still have my solar system hooked up)...

Conservation won't make my truck, tractor, or chainsaw run. Black go juice will.

Here in E Texas, the only way to even know a pipeline exists, is to see a narrow lane through the forest. You can't tell where a pipeline goes across a pasture. Last few years, new rules require all pipeline row's to have 'signs' at each public access point (where the row crosses a road). I'm thinking the Great Plains??? unless it crosses timbered land, you'd never know it's there, except during construction. Landowners should be paid royally, and compensated each time the land is disturbed.

Last price I saw on ROW's was close to $500/rod, which is ~$13/foot, which is over $160K/mile. About the only thing you can't do over a ROW is build, or mine. If you own a micro-lot, it could be a concern... if you own acreage, especially the size of traditional farm/ranches in the Great Plains..... not as much, I'm thinking.

I had a row proposal that was coming across my place... I actually wanted it... most of it was going across pastureland, and I was going to get 80K...it fell thru...

From what I've read about the concerns with the Keystone is that it'll allow the giant carbon sink (the tar sands deposits) to be exploited, and this will release that carbon into the atmosphere.

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They fought a few people here in Oklahoma and lost. They did finally find someone who would let them go across their land though.

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Fishhead read Texicans post and then you can rescind your sentence that "the tar sand oil is no good" especially since you find yourself using gas, oil, vehicles, chainsaws etc for your daily living. Tsk tsk tsk!
For the people ( *emdeengee) worried about conservation in the oil sands region they should realize that it's nothing but muskeg up there and the reclaimation is leaving the areas that are mined in better shape environmentaly then they were origionally.
It's also going to keep Canada's economy stable for the next few decades at least, and right now Alberta has one of the worlds' best economies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Alberta

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[QUOTE=texican;5463724]Please list all of the liberal energy producing companies.

It's fine and dandy to promote conservation. Before you can conserve something, you have to first produce it (at least as far as energy is concerned)

I daresay I'm wayyyy more liberal than anyone on this site, when it comes to the environment. Unfortunately, I was exposed to a toxic dose of reality, early in life, and never have been detoxified. Until we shrink our pop levels by 99% or more, that evil black juice is needed, to keep everyone alive. I'd love it to death, if we didn't need oil... and we could all live off our solar panels (which I've done in the past, I still have my solar system hooked up)...

Conservation won't make my truck, tractor, or chainsaw run. Black go juice will.

Here in E Texas, the only way to even know a pipeline exists, is to see a narrow lane thr

I can't see much of a big deal with a pipeline really. They put one in locally between Plattsburgh NY and Montreal 15 years ago and you can't even see where it runs. There is just the small signs here and there. It just blends in with the landscape much less visibly than any power line. Besides, I would much rather send trade back and forth with Canada than anyone else. Them Canukukans haven't caused us any trouble since the war of 1812.
Now of course if it was something like that private toll super highway it's another story completely.

But there is no economic benefit to anyone but the oil companies. This type of oil is highly labor intensive and expensive. The chance of causing damage is also high, because of the length of the pipeline. Eminent domain is OK as long as you get the benefit & none of the downside.

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I will weigh in here, The controversy here in Nebraska is the siteing. It is proposed to run through part of the Nebraska sandhills where the Ogallala aquifer is very swallow and the soil is very permiable. The ogallala aquifer is the largest ;in the U:S, runs from Nebraska to Texas. Some want the route resited to the eastern part of the state to less sensitive area. Problem pipeline co has purchased right of wa;y and started work before approval.

OK, I can see that it is time for a little economics lesson. You say there is no economic benefit to anyone but the "oil companies" and then you turn around and say that it is highly labor intensive.

Can not you see how silly this sounds?

You see, labor is provided by people. These people have very good paying jobs. These people make money, and then they spend money. In Canada. In the US (takes a lot of folks to build and maintain a pipeline). This money gets circulated through the economy. Our economy. Not the Saudi Arabian economy. Not the Venezuelan economy. Our economy.

Jobs are good things. When you have a bunch of people with good jobs they spend money, providing jobs for other folks, who spend money, providing............ well, I hope you get the message.

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Libertarindependent

I was just going to say the same.

Basically the entire state of Nebraska is fighting the current proposed route and it really has nothing to do with imminent domain.
An oil spill like BP's into the Gulf of Mexico would be small potatoes compared to an oil leak into the drinking water source of millions of Americans...

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