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09/13/11, 07:10 AM
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Your thread title is "Moral-Legal, would you?"
No, I wouldn't. I'd have visions of someone with a legitimate right waiting until the apples are at the ripeness they want, showing up and finding little or nothing. Perhaps they really need them or are counting on them.
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09/13/11, 07:27 AM
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09/13/11, 07:36 AM
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Moral---pick up the drops, don't pick from the tree.
Legal---leave everything to the deer.
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09/13/11, 07:48 AM
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Just something to think about, is the farm abandoned or are the owners just away for an extended time, family sickness or job.
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09/13/11, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Horseyrider
Your thread title is "Moral-Legal, would you?"
No, I wouldn't. I'd have visions of someone with a legitimate right waiting until the apples are at the ripeness they want, showing up and finding little or nothing. Perhaps they really need them or are counting on them.
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This is exactly how I feel too. Someone who does have the legal right to those apples may be driving by there every few days, waiting until they are ready. Imagine how disapointed they would be to find their apples gone. They might go to waste, but I would have no guilt about taking something that was not mine to take.
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09/13/11, 08:20 AM
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Not yours, don't take them.
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09/13/11, 09:56 AM
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Not only would I not take the apples..I'd not set foot on someone's property without their permission.
Some folks seem to think taking apples is somehow justified ..how about an old car? Shall we haul that away for scrap since it's just sitting there going to waste? And what about a building which appears to be uninhabited? Shall we all walk right into it and take windows, flooring, copper pipes, etc?
IMHO, morally and legally there is zero difference between taking apples which do not belong to you and taking anything else from another person's property.
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09/13/11, 02:00 PM
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I read an article about this exact same thing a few weeks ago, in the New York Times (I think). I'd find out if the property is a foreclosure. If it is, pick 'em.
Edited to add: Must've been in the Huff Po. Here is the original article:
http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/08/...nexpected.html
Last edited by LisaInN.Idaho; 09/13/11 at 02:06 PM.
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09/13/11, 02:11 PM
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I particularly like when foragers harvest produce from foreclosures and donate it too food banks and soup kitchens. Very Robin Hoody. 
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09/13/11, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by achrap
Before even taking the apples you have already committed a crime. Its called trespassing. I really get ticked off when the Amish, which are all around me seem to think that my property is community property for the purpose of mushroom, dear antler, etc. hunting. It dosn't matter if its being wasted, its mine to waste. If you ask permission, I will work with you. In our neck of the woods trespassing will get you in front of a judge.
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Legally, tresspassing is entering someones property with the intent to commit a crime. Walking across someones property with no intent or means to harm anything is not s crime. It is a poor idea but not a crime.
For the price of fruit I would not consider it worth my time to trace down the owners.
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09/13/11, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DaleK
SOMEBODY owns them, thieving is thieving.
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We think alike DaleK.
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09/13/11, 02:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bostonlesley
Not only would I not take the apples..I'd not set foot on someone's property without their permission.
Some folks seem to think taking apples is somehow justified ..how about an old car? Shall we haul that away for scrap since it's just sitting there going to waste? And what about a building which appears to be uninhabited? Shall we all walk right into it and take windows, flooring, copper pipes, etc?
IMHO, morally and legally there is zero difference between taking apples which do not belong to you and taking anything else from another person's property.
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I disagree. Apples are renewable and perishable, unlike a car or pieces of a house. The apples will be worthless shortly and they will be back next year.
A car will not grow back.
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09/13/11, 02:51 PM
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If you can use it, pick the fruit.
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09/13/11, 02:52 PM
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It's a simple question.
Do you own the apples?
Yes - then pick them
No - then get permission
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09/13/11, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Shadow
As I was growing up I was taught not to steal. If it was not mine and no one gave it to me or sold it to me and I took it it was stealing. I just looked and the ten commandments are still listed in the bible. I just noticed that so far most of the people on here are thieves and would steal apples, I sure hope no one leaves money, jewerly, weapons, or anything of value laying around when they are visiting. I have a constant problem with people hunting gensing, fishing in the pond for catfish I buy and feed, they aint cheap.
Twice I have caught people raking up pine straw, leaving their vehicles on another road and rolling garbage cans to my farm so my dogs will not hear their vehicles. We have a lot of pine needles and if they asked I would even help them rake them up. I have done that several times but stealing gets the sheriff a call and I turn them over to them one had a pistol and no permit. Thieves with guns If he had pulled it I would have been in a shooting.
If it aint yours leave it be. Stealing is wrong you can justify it. Now none of the self confessed thieves on this thread would ever be welcome to my place. You would probably find something you would be sure I was not using and take it and If you were armed I would try my best to kill you. Happened years ago and one went to jail for 25 to life and the other found out if there was really a hell. This is just the way the world has gone what once was something no one would even think of doing most belive is really ok. I will tell you a story. "Once upon a time, not very long from now, you wake up and a voice says yes there is a heaven and a hell and remember the red apples you stole."
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Wow, is all I can say about this post, I don`t think you should take the apples, but I also don`t think someone that takes apples is a hardened criminal. I would never shoot anyone that steals apples or anything else I could replace, weather or not they were armed. I have also faced down armed tresspassers that were deer hunting on my property, and I am never affraid of someone that carries a gun when I do not. Remember killing is also a sin, I would never kill someone unless it was to protect my family. Fine line your walkin while your preachin to the choir. > Thanks Marc
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09/13/11, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LisaInN.Idaho
I disagree. Apples are renewable and perishable, unlike a car or pieces of a house. The apples will be worthless shortly and they will be back next year.
A car will not grow back.
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My point was that it matters not one whit if an item will perish on the ground, or rot inside an unused house..neither apples nor goods belong to "you", so "you" have no business taking them at all.
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09/13/11, 03:51 PM
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Humm is it my place? I have several fruit trees planted in what would seem to be abandoned areas . I planted them for the wildlife. They are to attact and feed the wildlife that I enjoy seeing on the farm.
Will I enjoy seeing you on the farm?
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09/13/11, 04:08 PM
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Once we bought a farm that had not been inhabited for about a year and a half. You would not believe how many people thought it was their business to check the place out cause they thought nobody live there. And later that summer someone decided to pick all the fruit from the trees next to the driveway. If it doesn't belong to you and you don't have permission, it is stealing.
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09/13/11, 04:33 PM
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I gleann all my fruit from land that does not belong to me. Much of it goes to waste every year. This land belongs to large timber companies and I have gotten permission to pick it. Otherwise I would not think of going on someones property without permission....James
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