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Old 07/23/11, 02:57 AM
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So, what are people there going to do with their livestock when all the water is gone and there isn't even any water left for the people to use for themselves?

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Old 07/23/11, 09:27 AM
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So, what are people there going to do with their livestock when all the water is gone and there isn't even any water left for the people to use for themselves?

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It won't come to that, they can easily tie on to the same water supply we're getting. I was surprised to find out they are using their own lake and wells. There are pipes carrying water to Petrolia's neighboring towns from Wichita Falls that go right through Petrolia!
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Old 07/23/11, 09:52 AM
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Exaggeration. Do you work for the media?

Having water restrictions is a LONG way from individuals dying. Even if water doesn't flow from your faucet, there are MANY options that intelligent folks will take before turning to dust.


During water restrictions:
http://www.wateruseitwisely.com/100-...erve/index.php

http://gardeningsolutions.ifas.ufl.e...rictions.shtml

Water hauler directory:
http://www.bulkwaterdelivery.com/
Personal attack because you don't know how to engage otherwise? Do you work for the media?

There are always options for survival for intelligent folk unfortunately most of the population isn't intelligent. There are numerous options for keeping cool in the heat, for instance. In most places the media even advertises those during heat advisories and yet, every year, people die because they sat in their homes and roasted to death. When the ground runs dry people will die. Not from lack of options -- if you had actually read my post you'd have seen that I already mentioned the alternate sources of water that will eventually come into play if the drought continues -- but from stupidity and, in some cases, pure cussedness. The same stupidity and pure cussedness that makes them insist on not making adjustments to their stock operations in severe drought conditions.
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Old 07/23/11, 10:43 AM
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Wichita River Basin, this is where Wichita Falls draws their water from: http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2011/3018/pdf/fs2011-3018.pdf (PDF).

Wichita Falls has a state-of-the-art water treatment plant: http://secordlebow.com/projectDetails.php?id=7

There are hundreds of miles of pipe leading from that plant going into Wichita Falls and the surrounding towns. One of those pipelines goes right through Petrolia.

The town I'm in has their own wells and lake, like Petrolia. But the EPA-or-whatever-government-agency was on their backs all the time. The water is contaminated by agricultural chemicals. For years we were getting monthly letters warning that the chronically ill, pregnant, infants and small children should not be drinking the water.

Several years ago my town finally tied into the Wichita Falls supply. Now they're mixing something like 40% local water with 60% imported water. This means they are paying Wichita Falls for 60% of our water. That's when our water rates went sky-high. But it does dilute the contaminants down to a level deemed "safe" by the government. And we don't have any immediate worries about running out of water.

Many towns in counties surrounding Wichita county are getting all or part of their water from Wichita Falls.

I can only assume Petrolia's water is probably contaminated with agricultural chemicals. I don't know why they haven't tied into the Wichita pipeline. If they had already done so, they wouldn't be having this crisis. But it's not too late. They surely will go ahead and do so soon.
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Just noticed that the top 6 threads on the GH page are water issues!
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Just noticed that the top 6 threads on the GH page are water issues!
That's funny!
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That's funny!
Also very telling. I think people are waking up to the fact that water is vital and is in no way guaranteed.
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The next war in the west may be over water....James

There is a reason that I live somewhere it snows and not in a desert.

Please note, this is not a slam, but if an area cannot support 100 people (per square mile) without help then it is insanity to think that supporting 10 K (per square mile is doable)

As long as the 'war in the west" does not include my beloved Great Lakes, cool. If it does be ready for civil war. Because it WILL happen, no matter what the goobermint says.
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Old 07/23/11, 12:38 PM
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So, what are people there going to do with their livestock when all the water is gone and there isn't even any water left for the people to use for themselves?

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Drive to the next town and get some...
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Old 07/23/11, 12:46 PM
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I already posted the solution several posts ago. (post #64).
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Personal attack because you don't know how to engage otherwise? Do you work for the media?

There are always options for survival for intelligent folk unfortunately most of the population isn't intelligent. There are numerous options for keeping cool in the heat, for instance. In most places the media even advertises those during heat advisories and yet, every year, people die because they sat in their homes and roasted to death. When the ground runs dry people will die. Not from lack of options -- if you had actually read my post you'd have seen that I already mentioned the alternate sources of water that will eventually come into play if the drought continues -- but from stupidity and, in some cases, pure cussedness. The same stupidity and pure cussedness that makes them insist on not making adjustments to their stock operations in severe drought conditions.
I wish more people were sensitive to others issues, smart people always seem to wear a chip on their shoulder.
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I already posted the solution several posts ago. (post #64).
I was just kidding ladycat....*being sarcastic*....LOL
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Old 07/23/11, 01:58 PM
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Some folks don't recognize providing further info as furthering the discussion, either. Ah, well.

Exaggeration of an problem (any problem) is a favorite technique to garner sympathy and to increase anxiety about an issue. When I taught high school speech communication, it was one of the propaganda techniques that my students learned to recognize.

Sure, there's a drought, but there are solutions, both short term and long term.
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The last "Water War" I witnessed was short, but ugly. World politics are still feeling the aftermath of it 40+ years later.
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Old 07/26/11, 09:04 AM
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Wichita River Basin, this is where Wichita Falls draws their water from: http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2011/3018/pdf/fs2011-3018.pdf (PDF).

Wichita Falls has a state-of-the-art water treatment plant: http://secordlebow.com/projectDetails.php?id=7

There are hundreds of miles of pipe leading from that plant going into Wichita Falls and the surrounding towns. One of those pipelines goes right through Petrolia.

The town I'm in has their own wells and lake, like Petrolia. But the EPA-or-whatever-government-agency was on their backs all the time. The water is contaminated by agricultural chemicals. For years we were getting monthly letters warning that the chronically ill, pregnant, infants and small children should not be drinking the water.

Several years ago my town finally tied into the Wichita Falls supply. Now they're mixing something like 40% local water with 60% imported water. This means they are paying Wichita Falls for 60% of our water. That's when our water rates went sky-high. But it does dilute the contaminants down to a level deemed "safe" by the government. And we don't have any immediate worries about running out of water.

Many towns in counties surrounding Wichita county are getting all or part of their water from Wichita Falls.

I can only assume Petrolia's water is probably contaminated with agricultural chemicals. I don't know why they haven't tied into the Wichita pipeline. If they had already done so, they wouldn't be having this crisis. But it's not too late. They surely will go ahead and do so soon.
My brother imparted an interesting piece of info (and yes, he's in the know, being heavily involved in our town politics).

When our town and several other surrounding towns tied into the Wichita Falls water supply, a government grant paid for it. Petrolia turned down their own grant, saying they didn't need to tie in, since they had their own lake and wells. I guess now that their lake is down to 30% capacity, they wished they had done differently. Because if they tie in now, it's going to cost them.

As an aside, since Petrolia's lake is so low, Fish&Wildlife went there the other day and seined the fish out of their lake and relocated them.
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See that... I thought it was bad that I had to water the garden twice this year.

I can't imagine living in such a place. Here I have more water in my basement if not for the pump. Than most folks would need for their livestock.
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Old 08/01/11, 11:06 PM
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Nobody knows what's going on right now, but Petrolia has NO WATER at all today! Residents and a news station have been calling the city office, but no one answers or returns calls.
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Old 08/01/11, 11:07 PM
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Ok, I should have waited 5 minutes. They had a water main break, and they shut the water off. Couldn't they have told people what was going on?
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We are on community water. I would not let my livestock buckets go dry. Cruelty to animals is also illegal.
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I heard on the radio yesterday that we were about 15 inches behind on rainfall for the year. This is our third year in a row of drought.
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