Question for parents of non-immunized children..

pamda · #21 05/29/11, 06:09 PM

[QUOTE=CarolynRenee;5163054]Our daughter has not had any of the recommended or "required" shots. We MAY get her a tetanus shot, although we are still undecided on that.

Good luck getting a tetanus shot without the other stuff they combine it with. I asked last time they insisted I get one. I had a migrain,why they wanted to update shots is still beyond me. When they said I could only get dpt, not tenanus alone I said no absolutly not. Then it was you need flu you need pnumonia, and hep and and I said, why are we doing this now? Well, you haven't had them, OK, Why now? No answer. I had every childhood illness except polio and did get vac'd for that when we were kids. My kids got them as they chose after they grew up. My son got his first round at 2 months and had seizures. Then I got the next round and he had seizures so badly he was in hospital for a week. We now know it was from the shots. I am sure they knew that then also. My son is over thirty now, has mental issues,has physical issues and alot to live with. If I was to have more babies to raise there would be no none at all.

Otter · #22 05/29/11, 06:42 PM

While my child is immunized, she got chickenpox from non-immunized children.
Those children were horribly sick for 4 days to a week (3 of them) and then popped out with a (very typical) rash that their parents insisted was poison oak.

My DD was mildly sick for a day, and then had a slight, atypical rash on her arms and legs only. So slight, that one of her doctors at first thought it could be a food allergy. While only one in 700+ kids get chickenpox after the vaccine, it is a very, very mild case like my DDs. Unlike when I got it as a child, my fever spiked to 105 more then once, I was horribly sick, the rash was murder and my vision was affected.

But the reaction of the parents made me wonder. They were seriously vehement that their children did NOT and COULD not have chickenpox. Even though they clearly had text-book perfect chickenpox. A sympathetic, "Oh, that's bad chickenpox" towards one of the kids would bring a parent angry and red-faced into your face to lecture you on the evils of vaccines and modern living and on and on.
It just made me wonder if people who are strongly against if it colors their perceptions. Kind of like people who insist they stopped getting the flu when they stopped getting the flu shot. The flu is serious stuff. If you can get out of bed, it's not the flu. It's a cold. And they say it's a cold after they stop getting the shot, but if they get one within a couple of weeks of getting the flu shot it's the flu, y'know?

I'm not trying to make people defensive or attack anyone, just honestly wondering. Do your kids really, really never get sick? No colds, no stomach bugs, no poison oak? I notice that a lot who've responded that their kids haven' been sick since they stopped have young kids.
My niece was in and out of the hospital with ear infections till she was 2 1/2. She just grew out of it. Is there a chance your little ones just grew out of it?

Again, please understand - I really want to know. There are 8 1/2 years between my 2. DD was born in FL where there are lots of diseases almost unknown in other parts of the country because they come with the tourists and seasonals.
DS was born very premature. In both cases, it was safer to immunize then not, no matter what you want to say about immunization. Better then polio, y'know? But things change and I want to stay educated about it and if there have been more studies done I'd like to know

wannabfree · #23 05/29/11, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Laura Zone 5

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When I had my first almost 21 years ago, there were only a handful of vaccines.
I was young, and uneducated (I accept FULL responsibility for that) about vaccines. I just thought, "it's what you do".

For the first 10 years we ate a pretty "typical American diet". Junk from boxes, cans, and freezer meals.

I met a family that did things 'different'. She started telling me the 'evils' of vaccines, processed foods, etc. They were 'pretty out there'.
I was polite and listened.
Then I 'educated myself'.
Wow.
That's really when I began, educating myself, on everything.
Research at the library, on line, and I asked a lot of question...from a lot of different people, then *I* decided.

8 years ago, we pulled the kids out of public school, and home schooled. We stopped all vaccines. We changed our diet. We took a lot of the chemicals out of the house. We stopped using a lot of products. (Like sunscreen, etc.)

We live on a well, and drink bottled water. When the kids are at friends or relatives homes, they drink bottled water, but never out of the tap.
When they eat over at friends and relatives homes, the next day their systems are in a tizz!! They fully understand the consequences of eating 'carp' food.

They are very social. Sports, 4-H, working with the public in the food industry, did youth group for a while...so yeah, they did have a lot of opportunities to pick up all kinds of sickness.

They, by the Grace of God, have not.
10 kids on my son's hockey team came down with swine flu. Two were hospitalized.
He never caught so much as a cold.
My girls were running around playing with the siblings of the sick kids on the team, who got sick also........but my girls, not so much as a sniff.

We eat healthy.
We exercise.
We drink a lot of bottled water.
We do not do fast food.
We are outside, a lot....
We do not drink city water.
We do not eat carp food (processed, microwavable, frozen, can, box...etc)
We are not over weight.
We stopped vaccinating after 6th, 5th and 3rd grades.
We don't touch handrails. We don't touch ANYTHING in a doctors office.
Again, it is the Grace of God.

We 'cured' our 'seasonal' allergies (me and 2 kids) by eating raw honey, from a hive, within 20 miles of our home. Our bodies have built an immunity to the pollens that cause the irritation, by eating it in miniscule doses in the raw honey. Seriously, not one sniff out of any of us for 6 years. Now, my dh, who will not eat raw honey?
He takes Alegra May-Oct.
Hmmmmm.

I don't know if vaccines 'cause' autism. I doubt it.
I am more inclined to blame it on the chemicals they put in the drinking water. The carp they call food at the grocery, and worse the sub-carp they call food at fast food joints.

My kids, do not get sick.
My dh gets sick more than the kids.....and he's fully vaccinated.
He also eats like carp when he's at work, and not around me!!

Which is fine and his choice.....but though the facts are RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS FACE, he chooses to ignore them!

To each his own I suppose!!

Personally I like carp. Now crap not so much.

DamnearaFarm · #24 05/29/11, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrarvrs88

Well, my older boy was in a public daycare for the first two years of his life, and a little boy two weeks older was always sick. Caelin never got sick until he got his shots.

Love your son's name, Shara. I was going to name our youngest daughter Keelin, but hubby wasn't too keen on that.

therunbunch · #25 05/29/11, 08:57 PM

Oh.. Otter.. you jogged something interesting in my memory. Our DD got chickepox about 4 years ago (her last shots were the year before she got chickenpox) and the doctor (same doc we had for our son) said he had never seen such a brief outbreak. From 1'st spot to scabbed over was 3 days! Anyhow, doubt it has anything to do with no immunizations but it was interesting... and no one else was affected.

TedH71 · #26 05/29/11, 09:16 PM

Son got all the shots. Never really was sick until his sister went to the daycare for the first time and she had all of her shots also but she kept getting sick and passing on to my son and then on to the adults. Finally we all started to get better. Doctor said it was a virus that was being passed on and around families due to wintertime. Finally everyone has been healthy. No problems with the shots really. We live in Kansas.

NamasteMama · #27 05/29/11, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fetch33

I am a nurse. We really push influenza and pneumovax vaccines (protects against a certain type of bacterial pneumonia that elderly are likely to get). Influenza kills many thousands of people a year, mostly elderly and the very young. Same with pneumonia. I never use to get the shot until one Christmas I came down with the flu, spent 6 days in bed and really thought I would die. I get the shot every year now without fail and have never had the flu since. You can't get the flu from the flu shot. You either were already exposed or you got a strain that the shot didn't cover that year.
If your children are not getting sick, you can probably thank something called Herd Immunity.... everyone else is getting their vaccines and not spreading disease. Do you not get tetanus vaccinations either? What a horrible way to die and entirely preventable.

Herd immunity is so false. Just another round of BS. I have 6 unvaccinated kids who are never sick, last time we had an illness was 4 years ago when my kids picked up Measles from a kids who was recently vaccinated and was shedding and came to church. it was a minor rash and less trouble than chicken pox and now they have life long immunity. But I supposed I am biased, my dad is a doctor and expert in this field and says never vaccinante you kids.

LisaInN.Idaho · #28 05/29/11, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NamasteMama

Herd immunity is so false. Just another round of BS. I have 6 unvaccinated kids who are never sick, last time we had an illness was 4 years ago when my kids picked up Measles from a kids who was recently vaccinated and was shedding and came to church. it was a minor rash and less trouble than chicken pox and now they have life long immunity. But I supposed I am biased, my dad is a doctor and expert in this field and says never vaccinante you kids.

You're Funky Pioneer, aren't you?

NamasteMama · #29 05/29/11, 10:09 PM

Nope.

PrettyPaisley · #30 05/29/11, 10:15 PM

DD #1 -almost 5- never had more than a fever that lasted a couple of hours, never been to the doctor for anything but a quick check up.

DD #2 -19 months- has had one fever last Christmas day that I was willing to treat with OTC meds (she got up to 102). She's also never had more than a snotty nose, many more than DD #1 but I figure that's preschool germs being brought home.

DD #1 had the first shot they give a couple days after birth and none sense. DD #2 has had none, not the Vit K or eye goop.

LisaInN.Idaho · #31 05/29/11, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NamasteMama

Nope.

Well if that's the story you're going with, you might want to delete your blog name "Funky Pioneer" under your full profile on the "Arizona" blog that you have linked here.

PrettyPaisley · #32 05/29/11, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RamblinRoseRanc

Not debating at all, but looking for parallels-
How many of you who don't immunize homeschool?
How many of you who don't immunize have children who are either mostly homebodies or who don't participate in group activities (like sports and such) on a regular basis?

The eating better thing goes without saying, I'm willing to bet not many of us on this forum do much in the way of commericially processed foods.

My opinion, as a vaccinating mom, is that non-vaccinating is only part of the equation.

If you are eating healthy foods, staying physically active (chores, playing), not constantly being exposed to scads of people with multiple germs (sports, schools, daycare and such)- then it's a pretty good bet, barring certain circumstances (chronic illnesses and things that happened prior to the lifestyle change), you're going to be healthier overall.

Thoughts?

My oldest goes to a conventional preschool. We also use the childcare at the Y when I am there for my own personal time. My step-kids go to public school and spend 2-3 days here with my vax-free kids. I work PT at several different retails stores pushing a buggy around. I'm sure I pick up more than my fairshare of cooties each day that I bring home.

But you are 100% correct; we do not do processed food. When I was coming to terms with my decision not to vaccinate I did lots of research and decided that if I was going to trust Mother Nature to allow my children's immune system to develop properly I would nourish them properly. That included lengthy breastfeeding and backyard chickens. And that started me on homesteading. I'm forever grateful-I'm not sure my life would this complete had I never owned a couple of dairy goats.

Haven · #33 05/29/11, 10:42 PM

DH and I never get sick and we dont do vaccs. Last time I remember having the flu was as a kid. A few years ago we both fought off some bug that wore us out with fatigue for over a month and this was right when the new swine flu was going around - we chalked it up to a new strain of something. Even when his highly vaccinated co workers are all sick over the winter due to being locked in a cold building together everyday with no fresh air, we dont get sick.

Ed Norman · #34 05/30/11, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Haven

DH and I never get sick

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A few years ago we both fought off some bug that wore us out with fatigue for over a month

Weren't you sick for a month?

Haven · #35 05/30/11, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Norman

Weren't you sick for a month?

Yes, that was the one time I can remember in many years. Never was not the correct word. I should of phrased it "generally, we never get sick." Or "very, very rarely." Semantics.

Ed Norman · #36 05/30/11, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Haven

Yes, that was the one time I can remember in many years. Never was not the correct word. I should of phrased it "generally, we never get sick." Or "very, very rarely." Semantics.

I know, I just enjoyed the way it came out.

sisterpine · #37 05/30/11, 09:46 AM

My daughter was given all of her shots and she has not been sick in years. Come to think ofit I got all my shots too and have not been sick in over 15 years. Shots must have worked for us. Course we are both older 35/59 so maybe we got different mixes of shots or something.

Saffron · #38 05/30/11, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RamblinRoseRanc

Not debating at all, but looking for parallels-
How many of you who don't immunize homeschool?
How many of you who don't immunize have children who are either mostly homebodies or who don't participate in group activities (like sports and such) on a regular basis?

The eating better thing goes without saying, I'm willing to bet not many of us on this forum do much in the way of commericially processed foods.

My opinion, as a vaccinating mom, is that non-vaccinating is only part of the equation.

If you are eating healthy foods, staying physically active (chores, playing), not constantly being exposed to scads of people with multiple germs (sports, schools, daycare and such)- then it's a pretty good bet, barring certain circumstances (chronic illnesses and things that happened prior to the lifestyle change), you're going to be healthier overall.

Thoughts?

We are a typical family for the most part.

Our children attended public school in elementary years, then we homeschooled, now they are in a private school.
We are not homebodies - the kids are always involved in events and activities and mission trips.

I'm a couponer - we eat quite a lot of processed foods until the past year where we have been phasing it our of our diet slowly. The last four years have been mostly on coupon food because of a lack of funds to buy good stuff.

Of the whole family, I am the least healthy. I am overweight, not physically active and I have eaten poor choices over the last few years. All of this comes from the depression I have had over the death of my father. I am working on healing and correcting all these issues. I have been sick with an allergy during certain times of the year, and while cleaning a storage room the dust I inhaled caused bronchitis that I had a tough time fighting - without medicines.

I agree that lifestyles and food choices can contribute to it on top of the immunization choices, but I also think that sometimes it does not contribute.

therunbunch · #39 05/30/11, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Saffron

Of the whole family, I am the least healthy. I am overweight, not physically active and I have eaten poor choices over the last few years.

This has nothing to do with the post, but I have to commend your honesty. Not many folks can say this! Hugs!

ca2devri · #40 05/30/11, 10:59 AM

Interesting... seems that only a few people here know the difference between a virus and bacteria and which an immunization is actually for. I'd suggest before deciding that you learn the difference.

Chris