Raw Milk vs. Peanuts

I am technologiically challenged.....I don't know how to copy it here.....your post at 10:43 in response to my statement that humans have been drinking raw millk for 10,000 years.....and you said that they had health problems.....and referred to increased longevity in either that post or another one.

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If you genuinely believe that the government is protecting you....you have my sympathies.

At least here in Ohio, the ODA's priority is to promote and protect "Big Ag!!"

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If you thought that I was implying that milk in a carton comes from a healthy animal, then you made a wrong assumption.

The average dairy cow in a large herd today last for 2.3 - 2.8 lactations....as opposed to cows in "grass-based dairies" that are living productive lives into their teens.
How healthy can a cow be that is only going to live 4-5 years????
But it passes your wonderful government inspections!!!!!

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I am not sure what the point is that you are trying to make. You usually have very clear points that you make in your posts.....so, it may just be me....and being "sleep-deprived" today. if it is just me, please excuse me....

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No it isn't. It's for money and controlling where people buy their food from. It has nothing to do with keeping people safe.

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I responded to your statements.

You said peanuts kill people, they only kill people that have severe allergic reactions to them. They don't kill people that are not allergic.

You said you never heard of anyone dying from milk from a healthy animal, and I said that people have died from allergies to milk.

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It only takes a google search to find over 270K sites that say raw milk is not as healthy as people seem to think it is.
Yes years ago people drank raw milk. But how many either died or were sicken from it? Don't know because NO records were kept.
And besides life expectancy was a lot shorter then it is today many may not have lived long enough to develop said diseases either.

Contaminated PA Cheese Made from Raw Milk : Food Poison Journal ...
Jul 7, 2010 ... April 20, 2011. Dallas area media today reported on Mary Chiles's salmonella illness (infected by consuming contaminated raw milk). ...
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Many raw foods may be contaminated with harmful bacteria. ..... Available at: http://www.realmilk.com/what.html Accessed on January 20, 2009. ...
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The cows in a large milking herd must be the most profitable to remain in the herd. Rather than continue to milk cows into their teens, many cows are culled while they still are very productive by earlier standards.

Dairy cows that only live 4-5 years are not dying on the farms. They are dying at slaughterhouses.

It is milk production, not ill health, that gets most of the milk cows culled early.

A few years ago, I'd see lots of old worn out dairy cows going through a local sale. It was easy to see these old cows had been culled because they had problems, mis-shaped bag, lame, etc. Made me sad to see these old girls, after years of production, finally worn out and going on a long ride to the slaughterhouse in a distant city.

But now, at that same sale, because of lower milk prices, good healthy cows are going to slaughter. They would have many years of milk production ahead of them, except their production level isn't quite high enough. In order to be profitable, only the best producers are kept. Many of these "cull" cows would have been profitable 20 years ago.

Seems sad for the cows, but with these early releases from production, overall health is higher and higher quality dairy cows are being ground up, that in years past.

I have a relative that works for one one of the "high tech" agricultural firms. I asked him about this whole idea of "grass-based dairying." He said that, 'In his opinion, the milk production would be lower, but the cows would live a lot longer. The way we feed for maximum milk production burns the rumen out.'

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I did not review each of these articles.......but I have read MANY over the years........you usually find terms like "suspected, implicated, associated with....." Careful reading shows that in many cases it was never actaully documented that the cause was raw milk, since other sources can carry the same bacteria......

If you would like to enlarge your borders, you can visit the CDC web site, and do a search for contaminated pasteurized milk. You may be surprised to find that it may not be as safe as you assumed.

A friend of mine did some perusing on the CDC site.......and he claimed that, from the studies he looked at ........people got sick from drinking contaminated raw milk, but one was more likely to die from drinking contaminated pasteurized milk.

There is a relatively easy explanation for that phemomenon. Raw milk contains components that are anti-bacterial in nature. Those are destroyed by pasteurization. If you innnoculate both a gallon of raw milk and a gallon of pasteurized milk with the same bacteria, the bacteria will still be there in the raw milk, and it may grow some, but in the pasteurized milk, that same bacteira will explode in growth. At a recent dairy goat conference I brought this point up to a person from the Dairy Division of the Ohio Department of Agriculture. He agreed. He said that I was "absolutely correct."

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"When you are having dinner with someone and they are nice to you, but rude to the waiter, then this is not a nice person.".....Dave Barry

That doesn't actually help me either since mine says 9:43.

However, how is that taken to mean that I said raw milk was the culprit? First, you point out that raw milk has been drank for thousands of years, but I point out that people back then were not that healthy. Some were, some weren't. But the longevity was not as good as it is now. Therefore I was stating that your analogy did not actually apply since people back then did not even have SS buckets to milk into, good cleaning methods, etc etc.

My guess re: the difference in time.......we live in different time zones.

Thank you for strenghtening my argument.......in spite of the lack of sanitation......they still survived ....even though they drank raw milk!!!

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"When you are having dinner with someone and they are nice to you, but rude to the waiter, then this is not a nice person.".....Dave Barry

Smoking kills alot of smokers and some non smokers. But costs all of us tax payers an enormous amount of money every year.
Raw milk is banned in alot of states because "it may" contain something harmful. It may not also. I think we should have a right to choose. I have the right to harm my health in alot of other ways don't I?

The following products are potentially life-threatening to those who are allergic to them: Eggs, fish, milk, peanuts, shellfish, soy, tree nuts, and wheat. If any of those are in a product, it must be listed on the label. If peanuts were to be outlawed, the same argument could apply to all of the others including milk.

Martin

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Thank you for strejgthening the argument for legalizing the sale of raw milk!!!

It makes no sense when the law already allow dangreous porducts to be sold on the market!!

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The same excuses that you use for peanuts apply equally to milk, raw or pasteurized. Infant deaths due to milk allergy is rare but each victim is just as dead as if the cause were peanuts or any other allergen.

Martin

There is a difference between "survived" and "thrived". Notice that only until recently, when technology reached a specific level, did the human population explode. Mainly because everyone stopped dying so quickly.

Oh boy, and others here are giving me their sympathy?

Heritagefarm makes a very very good statement above. It is all the forms of technology from the sanitation plants, to vaccination, to antibiotics, to asceptic technique, to pasturization, that have all contributed to today's robust population.

People that have never seen a child die of whooping cough are the ones that protest against vaccination. People that never saw a loved elder die of tuberculosis are the ones that protest against pasturization. Sure, you can check 10,000 cows and not one will be infected with tuberculosis, but it's that 10, 001th cow that infects you. That's one of the reasons your great great great grandfather was dead at the age of forty!

Is there any law that says you can't drink raw milk? I though the laws said you couldn't sell raw milk.