E85 , In your NON E85 Vehicle......?

Liquified Natural gas. The only thing is where to fuel In Arkansas you have one station that sells it and another under construction. They are at least 70 miles from here. You could buy the equipment to liquify it and put in you back yard if you has natural gas available.

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i was told to be sure and shake gas can of gas good before filling small engines. If there was already fuel in the tank give the equipment a good shake to get the ethanol "back together" as it is the separation that causes problems. I used the E10 in my 92 volvo until it would start pinging or losing power then would switch to non ethanol. By choice I would not use it.
I heard last year farmers were required to plant corn whether they wanted to or not. I saw corn being planted this year in the deep south where they usually plant beans or cotton...

Apparently, you missed the fracking situation in PA. Trillions of cubic Feet of natural gas to be had, and no oil involved. Lots of pollution, hundred of chemicals added to the fracking fluid, methane in wells, settling ponds full of toxic waste and environmental devastation, but no oil.

................The true cost of producing NG , the true cost of mass producing vehicles running on LNG vs Ethanol ? That would require three separate answers ! LNG , is a very clean burning fuel , it is here , in residence in our country and should be exploited too the fullest ! OTOH , people and the environment can't be sacrificed , either . How all those political forces accommodate and coexist with each other over time will just have too be worked out !
................Mass Production of LNG powered vehicles and their associated costs per unit of production will decline with the number of units produced . , fordy

I use E85 in my 99 Ranger it runs just fine however i do get worse gas millage but if the difference between unleaded and E85 is $.60 or more cost wise E85 is better. If my truck were to be made to run strickly on E85 I was told it would get much better millage, however there are not enough stations that sell it to make it feasible. My husband's truck an 04 is not E85 compatible he mixes 50/50 and so far there have been no negative side effects.

I ran E85 in my 2000 Dodge Caravan that was made for it. I needed it to be .40 cents a gallon cheaper than gas to break even on using E85 I had over 200,000 miles on that vehicle before the head gaskets went on it. The new owner fixed that and it's still going, that was 2 years ago.

I use E10 in everything else, lawnmower, cars, chainsaws, boat, everything. No issues. You do need to shake up the fuel that's been mixed with oil and it's been sitting for a while. The oil will seperate from the gas. My 1983 motor home will sit for months with
E10 and fire right up whenever I turn the key.

Can you post a source for this?

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http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/22/r...lock-e15-fuel/

.................Just google E15 and you'll get multiple sources as well ! This house vote to block e15 was unknown to me and did not present itself until my latest google search ! , fordy

The 10% junk is bad enough. My mpg has gone down another 2 miles because of all the humidity here, a 10% reduction. (it dropped 3 mpg since the switch from regular gas to 10%) My costs for dry gas and sta-bil have gone up since the 10% hit the market.

My 2000 Ford Ranger was one of the early Fords with a flex-fuel system. Yes, I'm on my second fuel injector but happy with the E85 results. Only unhappiness is that the only local source is one of few in the state whose difference between regular gas and E85 is not at least 15%. I can get it for 20¢ cheaper at another station but expend a gallon in order to do it.

For those who don't like the performance of E10 or E15 for small engines, stop using the cheapest. Get the next higher octane which may only cost a dime more. Switched to that for mower and tiller and it's a world of difference.

Martin

Exactly, another man made disaster in the making.

There already have been some major pollution issues going on.

I guess we wont be happy til the mid atlantic is uninhabitable.

As far as ethanol, on the pumps it says >renewable fuels< ha ha. Take away the oil and see how renewable it is.

Tom

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If Farms were Smaller, Communities would be Closer.

I thought you were complaining about an increase in ethonal, yet the link clearly states that the attempt to raise the ethonal percentage was blocked.

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take the oil away and you have straight alcohol which would be pretty renewable but would require some modification I suppose...

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Straight ethanol is certainly renewable, but is it viable, considering ethanol is now bing made, with $7/bu corn?

It would be interesting to see if Americans really want to get off the "oil addiction" bad enough, to endure terrible vehicle performance/economy and pay $10/gal for fuel.

I wish we lived in the flatlands so we could ride our bikes into town, we'd ride right by the gas stations (except for the one with the great Brownies...my bike runs on brownies).
I don't know if its the fuel or if its todays parts but my 1970 Firebird needs a new fuel pump about every 16 months.

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There'd be some mighty terriblesome hungry folks, if we eliminated oil, and had to drive our rigs on corn... can't imagine our farmlands would be used for anything BUT feedstocks for ethanol. Po' folks would starve quickly, without massive federal subsidies... but even 'with subsidies, what 'would' they eat??? The dead grain stock, post ethanol? or go straight to Soylent Green...

We have plenty of ng... only real answer out there... alas, there's no leadership to get 'er done. Pickens has a great idea.... retrofit each and every 18wheeler to ng, and have every single truck stop in America set up to handle it... it'd kickstart this country onto a secure path.

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And here we sit and let 240,000 barrels a day go without pumping in the GOM. Nice.

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CNG is not LNG.

COMPRESSED NG is used in flex vehicles.
LIQUIFIED NG is the form in which some of it is transported. Not sure if any vehicles use LNG. LNG explosions pack a punch, because it is under great pressure, and requires a lot of cooling. Too dangerous for most people to be using.

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There are lots of raw materials that could be used at a lower cost

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E-85 is a good idea for those engines designed to use it. It would really help our fuel efficiency and smog issues. It's not perfect, but it's better than anything else we have. Don't use it in non-setup engines, of course. It's around basically because that is what is popular in Brazil, so the engine components and computer programming is already off the shelf.....

E-10 is a nice start, in helping with emissions and de-icing fuel systems in cold areas like Minnesota, but it's not all that efficient. You only gain about 3% fuel efficiency when all the numbers are run. One gains 3% more than what was put into the e-10, which is something, but ot all that much.

Most engines are more efficient with about E-20 to E-30. That iswhen you can pick up a 6-10% fuel efficiency over the cost of making the ethanol. Would really help out our fuel supplies and costs, as well as be about the limit of what our grain resources could add to the fuel supplies without harming our food supplies.

Ethanol is high octaine, blending low-octaine gas with it means one can use a cheaper gasoline, less refining. And on and on.

Real old engines and some small engines are poorly designed with a few rubber/plastic components that degrade with more than 10-15% ethanol. That's too bad, we should demand better-built engines. The metal parts prefer ethanol, and the flame front from higher ethanol content is more uniform & efficient, so in the right combination, in a properly designed engine, a 20-30% ethanol blend is by far the best bang for the buck. We all would see much less fuel cost per mile if we could get to that E-25 range. Miles per gallon is not important; miles per dollar is, as well as efficiency of producing the fuel. All comes out much better with an E-25 mix.

Sour grapes type folk, and those unwilling to accept change always complain about oh, small engines, oh, how it wrecks my car, blah blah.

Had E-10 here for decades now, in horridly humid summers and horridly cold winters, and E10 works fine. It saves a few cents, and it makes alittle better air quality.

E-25 or so should be a goal for all of us, it would be good for this country. Cheaper driving, better environment. Yea, one would have to deal with old old plastic/rubber gaskets & hoses, and the ethanol cleans out old varnish which plugs up filters and small engine ports - but then a clean engine and new fuel hose that isn't 40 years old & dripping is going to save you alot of money anyhow?

Join progress, look to the future, help the environment. E-25 would be a good thing.

Oh, and E-15 is not going to be available very much under the current rules. It's been poorly brought about, so is pretty much a non-starter. We'll have to wait for the next round to get a good, forward-looking set of rules that bring us a better, E-15 to E-30 set of rules.

Blender pumps should be the wave of the future, you can program in what you want for blend as you lift he fuel nozzle, pick E-10 or E-85 or anything in between.

--->Paul