How many of you live relativity close to "trashy people"?

Radio I dont understand what you are saying, it sounded like it was just bigotry against city folk.

People dump in the city, they dump in the country, they dump in the ocean, they dump all over because humans are destructive animals.

If the guy had a rubbish removal business, it is part of his job to dump the material in a healthy and mature way, not just leave it in his yard rotting and making the area a mess.

How much does it cost to go to the dump in the country and dump your garbage? is it really so expensive that people would rather leave the stuff in their yards or toss it on the side of the road? I can't believe that the county would make it so cost prohibitive.

We have a sanitation force here that is paid by the taxes we pay, so we dont need to go to the dump. And a few years ago when we did have dump sites for larger quantities of personal trash we had dumps that were paid for with our taxes, and free to use. People with comercial garbage have to pay for private sanitation here.

Our taxes are very low compared to most places and we get a lot of services for that low expense.

Beeman, what state is this in? Sounds bad. We have that kind of stuff going on here also, but it is in the ghetto areas.

Are people just too lazy to walk 20 feet to the garbage can, is that it? Seriously, I have a friend who repairs elevators in really bad public housing projects, he said that the hallways are packed with garbage and rats because the people in the apartments just open the door and throw the trash right outside the door. If they were not such lazy low lifes they would walk the ten feet it takes to take the garbage to the incinerator. All you have to do is open the shoot and drop your garbage in, walk away and the garbage is gone, but that is too much for them to do. You would think that a person who's whole existence, their children's existence, and their grand children's existence comes from and is sustained by public pity and charity would at least be a little grateful and respectful...but no, they spit in the face of their care giver and bite the hand that feeds them.

You are talking about scrap cars cluttering up the place, don't these people know that those cars are worth money as scrap metal. An old car can bring in about $600 at the scrap yard. I am sure they could buy a lot of prescription drugs with $600. Tell them that, and they will have the cars cleaned up in a day, heck they would be fighting each other just to be the one to take that car away.

No "sanitation force" around here, no "county" dumps and I think what Radiofish was referring to was your seeming lack of knowledge about how things work in places outside of NYC and I think he took your comments to be something akin to whats wrong with those country bumpkins. I dont want garbage laying around either but where I live we compost most organics, burn what we can (some people on this forum dont like that either) and pay a local fella to haul away two bags of trash per week for things we cant recycle, compost or burn. I have no neighbors that can see or hear what I am doing on my property unless I am using explosives and I give them a heads up before I use them. If you dont like what I am doing on my property either dont look or move to where there is an HOA to enforce your vision of utopia. Are the dump fees at the private dumps around here expensive? Why yes they are......thanks for asking but really...its none of your business.

Lots of us trashy people here in Missouri..you would hate it. Nothing but trash, ticks and chiggars.....and that odd broken down car here and there you think should be tidied up but we look at as a future project. For some folks around here that 76 T-Bird on concrete blocks in the front yard represents their future restoration or custom cruiser once "things turn around"....most of us know things wont ever turn around for them but you know, again, its not my business.

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You can see my sig is East TN, basically Appalachia as I've lived all around this area. That's just one article, there's more on my neighbors in past issues, that's just the latest. I live on the good road, the next 2 are worse. You have to understand the culture. My road also has 2 people that work in the school superintendants office. There's also the health dept. septic inspector and his wife the school nurse. Same road has $200+k+ houses and farms. The neighbor behind me is Bill Jenkins, my retired US Congressman. I've also lived and worked in NYC decades ago. Some similar behaviors there among some groups.

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Wow, salmon, thank for all the hostility. Thanks for hating me when you dont even know me. Thank you for making assumptions about me and what I know. thank you for considering me by your own personal stereo type of a city person. That was all very kind of you.

for your information I do have family and friends who live in rural indiana, so I do know that they have to take care of their garbage on their own, burning most it. i do know it is a pain in the butt. I asked if there was a dump or a sanitation force, both good questions, because not all rural areas are the same, and some do have sanitation and public dumps.
I personally would never fault anyone for having a dream, even a dream that will never come true, I personlly am one of those hopeless dreamers and i would admire a neighbor who had an old car up on blocks on his drive way if that truely was his passion and his dream. I would be inspired by that. Would I be inspired by the druggies and criminals that beeman posted about, no.

Just because I live in New york city that doesnt mean I live in the NYC that you may imagine in your mind from tv and movies. NYC is a large and diverse place and i live on the outer edge of nyc in a small little run down area, much like a small town with only three thousand people, one barber shop, one funeral home, one library, a few bars, a volunteer fire department and EMS,no where to buy groceries, and the same few back stabbing gossiping families that have lived here for 100 years. I live on the edge of a federal wildlife reserve, almost completely sorounded by water and wild estuary, in the heart of a marsh land that is over an hour away from the real city.

What makes you think that the prices at a local dump are none of my business? What makes you think that they are exclussively your business? If the prices truely were too high at the dump then i would understand why people would illegally dump and I would sympathize with them, if the costs were somewhat in the means of the average person for that area, then that would be a different story.

No hostility. You seem to want to determine whats reasonable and whether the person with the old beat up car on blocks really has a passion for that old wreck ...otherwise its just garbage and an eyesore right? Its just how your coming across and I dont hate you or even know you...maybe its time to relax a bit and take a deep breath eh?

My neighbor works 60 hours a week at a factory (or did until they got cut back to part time) and they live on $280.00 a week after taxes and insurance...I cant imagine that kind of poverty as I havent lived it in my life but I can tell you the $35.00 dump fee for a pickup load for them is an extravegance...whether they can afford it or not is not your buiness nor mine which is what I was referring to. Scrap iron is high right now but how do you get it to the scrap yard? That old junked car is worth about $350.00 or more around here but if you cant haul it yourself your going to end up with about $50.00 if you can even find anyone willing to come out and try and yard it out..

Not really directed towards you or your posts but some posters seem kind of like uppity busybodies who think everyone should cater to what they think is proper. Few places in this country let you do what you want to do on your own property. I also dont buy the property values argument, if you bought your place for an investment you should have bought in a better place and not considered it a homestead.

By the way Citybound, you have family in Indiana and I have family in Hempstead...so what? The Mrs and I visit New York fairly frequently and enjoy it. Matter of fact I was stationed at Ft Drum for awhile....cant get much more rural than that.

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City Bound - No I am not bigoted on City Dwellers.

I grew up in Detroit, and I still visit my family there every year. Plus earlier this week, I was down in San Francisco for 2 days (600+ miles R/T). In the heart of the city amongst the masses, when I wasn't at the VA Hospital. I had a good time as I always do, while in the city.

I do have an issue with folks that have an attitude of what is 'right or wrong', and then try to imposed their values on others. That may be why many of the posters on this site, have decided to live where there are no codes or restrictions.

I just returned from animal care at the neighbors, and doing a walk while taking pics of my 'White Trash Palace'. There is no trash pick up here on the hill or any other of the 'civic imoprovements' here in the boonies. Yet we haul out the trash in our vehicles, to the dump. Or we have a burn barrel (as I do). I don't keep piles of trash around, because it draws in the bears closer to the house. As if the apple trees don't do so all ready.

You may think that scrap metal or old cars should be hauled off. Yet others may see them as a project or having great value for the parts on it.

My gosh, just look at all of that junk, hidden behind the woodshed....



Or should I not finish project #562 on my list - putting a deck and sideboards on this trailer. Or should I just scrap it out?



Plus the last part of your post stating that if cost are too high, them you have no problem with illegal dumping - makes me wonder about your so called concern!

What makes you think that the prices at a local dump are none of my business? What makes you think that they are exclussively your business? If the prices truely were too high at the dump then i would understand why people would illegally dump and I would sympathize with them, if the costs were somewhat in the means of the average person for that area, then that would be a different story.

What mostly gets dumped up here on the hill are the tailings and trash of the University kids and city folks illegal indoor marijuana gardens/ drug activities. Hey, it's not like they can haul that kind of stuff to the local trash transfer station, is it?? They throw other junk on top of it, in order to hide the real load when dumping their illegal trash.

Or what would you think of someone having multiple vehicles that run, and a place to park them all.. If I have a use for something, I am not gonna toss it away, just because someone doesn't like it! I am the last house in on a private road, and no one can see in here unless they drive or walk in - if I lock the gate.



Tomorrow I might go and take some pics of the trash piles that were left by the folks from down the hill..

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Salmon, I am glad there is no hostility. I come here to make friends not enemies. It seemed like you were being hostile. Maybe I was making assumptions. If I was, I appologize. maybe I did not express my self properly, and I in no way think of myself as uppedy and if I came across that way it was unintended.

I think $35 for a dumping fee is expensive even for people not struggling with poverty. I dont care if people have junk on their property (some call it junk, I call it stuff), my neighbhors do, and I do also, what I was thinking of when I commented was when sittuations turn to slum conditions because the people who live there just dont care anymore. I was commenting on the sittuation that beeman was telling us about in the section eight trailer park, with drugs, drug dealing, premeditated child abuse, and other social ills that I think any decent person would find unsettling. I am talking about urban poor on welfare, living in public housing, who still ,after having everything handed to them free and with out question, throw there garbage in the hall outside their doors, out their windows, break the law, destroy public property, menace man kind,and who have zero respect for society or themselves. I am not talking about decent people, struggling financially, with cars on their lawns who are good friends and nieghbors who mind there own business and follow the law.

Radio, let me say firstly, that I love your home, if that is your home in the pictures you posted. I find it cozy and charming and I could live there. it looks neat to me. I would live the same way.

I dont support illegal dumping in any way at all, I think it is the seed of a long term problem. When I said I would sympathize with people if the costs were too high, I meant that I would see the root of the problem and the difficult position people would find themselves in because of it, but not accept illegal dumping as the sollution to the problem. If I was in that sittuation I would try to discuss the problem with my neighbhors in my local area to see what we could do to team up and create a healthy way for us to deal with the garbage we couldnt handle on our own, if that is something we could all benefit from.

We could really use that Ford pickup in that photo, on the left....

I have a trashy, trashy neighbor and it breaks my heart. I do not visit this forum often and won't even check this thread again but I do want to say that I am saddened by my general impression that most think it is okay to be trashy and disreguard what they might be doing to other people's property values. I have lived in my house for 34 years and am not apologetic for my love of neatness and cleaniness. It was how I was raised (rural upbringing). I was taught that cleanliness was next to Godliness and also taught to love my neighbor as I love myself. I have lost thousands of dollars in property value because my new neighbors have more than trashed their property. I have been told this by a real estate agent. I thought mine was an isolated problem but I see that it is not! If one is living in a rural area then living a trashy, filthy, unmown, uncared for property, horses, dogs, goats, running freely, piles of trash, rusted out horse trailers, hay bales, weeds, misquitoes(West Nile Virus), Rats, huge stack of utility poles, garbage, broken down cars, overgrown shrubs, peeling paint, trash blowing thru neighbors property, name it and it is there is acceptable because you are a homesteader then count me out. How very, very sad. Good luck to all of you because you really don't get it.

Julia I could euse verything there, I would just movie in and plant a garden.
Maybe radio will sell you the truck.

City Bound - yes that is where I am living at. I took the pics this afternoon.. If you look closely you will see some of my many amateur (ham) radio antennas in each picture..

Those are pics of the outbuildings - Here is the actual house..
With snow up here, at 1,800 feet above the ocean..



Without snow..




Actually, my neighbors and myself take turn hauling all of our trash off the hill to the transfer station. I only generate about 1 bag of trash per month.

With the illegal dumpers and trespassers up here - we call the County Sheriff, when we can catch them in the act.

Sorry but the 1969 Ford F-100 1/2 ton pickup on the left (360 V-8 with auto transmission) without the camper shell, is not for sale. I even have sideboards for it to haul firewood. The 1967 F-100 (352 V-8 with 4 speed manual tranny) has the camper shell on the far right, of the 1986 GMC 4X4 and my 1977 Chevy C-20 camper van.

None are for sale, since they are my cherished projects!!

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No worries. There is certainly a lot of drug use, domestic violence and child abuse in the country (at least where I am) and folks who dont seem to care but I almost think its more a factor of people just giving up and it doesnt get seen as readily as in the city. If I was of a mind to I could beat my wife and no one would really know because no one could hear it or see it unlike if we lived in an apartment (the fact that I adore her not withstanding). But you may be surprized at who actually lives in some of the worst dumps in the forgotten rural heartland...the elderly. Where I am at young folks leave for better opportunities elsewhere and lots of older folks are struggling to hold on because they have no other option and no son or daughter who wants to eke out an existence on a small run down old farm.

As a first responder I have been appalled at some of the abject poverty and living conditions I've seen and its so easy to jump to conclusions on how they ever let things get that bad. But its their life and in most cases around here they are salt of the earth good people. I come from an upper middle class family of high achievers and I had every advantage growing up....it just never clicked with me and I am considered the family eccentric (doesnt help that I look like the Una Bomber!). They tend to look at the Mrs and I as "quaint" or they think we are "woods hippies" because of the way we live but we like our junk and run down old farm and we have friends that would share their last piece of bread if the chips were down.

We have a friend that lives down the road a piece much like the OPs first description...pitt bulls, junk, broken down cars, the whole lot and his house isnt ever going to be entered into a Good Housekeeping pictorial but his heart is huge and other than bringing my own coffee cup over when I visit (I mean...he is a country batchelor and all) we have learned to embrace his quirks even if I sometimes have an urge to grab a garbage bag and pick up a few things in his yard!!

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Radiofish...love your place Jarhead.

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Radio, I like your house.
What do you have on your house curragated metal or plastic roofing? I was looking into a metal roof, they are pretty decently priced compared to shingles.

All of the outbuildings except 2 of the 7 and the house have corrugated metal roofing. The garage and the old cabin not shown, have composite/ asphalt roofing shingles

Thanks for the compliments. At least I try my best to keep it up, no flaking paint, or piles of trash everywhere. Though there are a couple of burn piles on the lower landing - I live on an old logging landing with a huge circular gravel drive. I am able to do the upkeep even with a mangled leg, and walking with a cane..

Yet I wasn't able to finish the 1st mowing of the season behind the house. It was way too wet to run the push mower up in there. Makes me glad that no one can see what a bad neighbor I am, for not having my lawn pristine all of the time (like this afternoon)..

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Quote "Good luck to all of you because you really don't get it."

Won't be revisiting this thread?

Nice hit and run.

Oh wait, I see you're looking at this thread.

Huh.

ETA Radiofish, my dh has at least a couple of projects going at any given time. Right now it's a 1965 Ford pickup. He usually has one he's working on and one lined up ready to start working on when he finishes the former one. He's always done that, lost count of how many vehicles he's built over the years.

And by the way, your yard is nice, it's very scenic up on your 'hill'. Thanks for taking time to post pictures.

Radio, your welcome.