Ooops- organic labelled food "magically" tastes better

Bearfootfarm · #61 04/17/11, 11:14 AM

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You fail to realize that plants do indeed absorb nutrients through their leaves.

I realize it's possible, but I haven't seen any evidence these "pesticides" and "fugicides" are ALWAYS used, or cause any harm when they are used.

All I keep seeing is a lot of rhetoric and no real data, and most of the sources presented are pushing "organic" as the only way to do things.

If these chemicals were so toxic, why aren't there dead bodies everywhere, since the vast majority are eating them every day?

Bearfootfarm · #62 04/17/11, 11:16 AM

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"There are additives in the chicken feed that make their poop less attractive to flies".

What will they think of next?

Actually that is true.

You can mix Diatomaceous Earth with the feed, and it passes through the birds unchanged. When it dries, it will kill many insects that come into contact with it

Bearfootfarm · #63 04/17/11, 11:24 AM

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The main reason that we make the commitment to remain organic is that we have seen first hand the damage that chemicals do to the soil and human health. Also, for more information regarding pesticides and herbicides check this out- http://farmandranchfreedom.org/gmo-miscarriages

LOL

This guy has no credibility, and it's "sources" like this that make people not believe any of the hype

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Dr. Don Huber, professor emeritus at Purdue University,

He never even SAYS there was any Roundup involved, but just ASSUMES there was:

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For example, 450 of 1,000 pregnant heifers fed wheatlege experienced spontaneous abortions. Over the same period, another 1,000 heifers from the same herd that were raised on hay had no abortions.

High concentrations of the pathogen were confirmed on the wheatlege, which likely had been under weed management using glyphosate

If he wanted to do a real test, the cows would have been fed IDENTICAL diets, with one having used Roundup and one not.

He's been discredited many times before, and yet keeps being used as "proof"

salmonslayer · #64 04/17/11, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by seedspreader

"Angus"

It adds like 2.00/lb to the meat.

I need to raise something "Angus", even if that's only what I name the beef cow.

We just started to raise Angus cattle in a small way and it even gets more ridiculous. We have 2 six month old bald faced Angus heifers that we will eventually breed and with zero talk about it or queries we have already been approached by two different people wanting to talk about breeding them and purchasing claves....but only from the black one. We have a red Angus and black Angus and folks are only interested in the black one so far. Apparently it has to be "black Angus" and not just "Angus" for people to pay the premium.

I have nothing against organic and we mostly grow organic with our truck garden (but have no plans to be certified) but somehow I think the tastes between organic and non-organic would be like the taste between a red and black Angus cow in the store. Fresh produce is going to taste better from your garden or farmers market because its picked fresh and at the peak of ripeness just like mostly pasture raised cross breed mutt beef is going to taste better that you raise yourself than store bought Angus that has not been aged properly and has been pumped full of water and coloring and then frozen.

However, I think common sense tells you that using fewer chemicals is generally better for the environment and your health even if it doesnt cause the hyped effects that some organic practicioners proclaim. I can afford organic food but seldom seek it out outside of my own garden or local farmers I know because I too think its mostly just a label that makes people feel good.

**highlands** · #65 04/17/11, 11:38 AM

The Anti-Organic (Big Ag, etc) people like to confuse the issue.

The point isn't that organic foods are magically better tasting, etc.

The point is that they do not contain pesticides, herbicides, hormones and such I don't want to eat and don't want to feed to my children.

The best yet is what I grow and raise because it is the freshest, best quality, I can control what is in it and it costs less. Plus I get a free workout - saves gym memberships, etc.

Cheers

-Walter
Sugar Mountain Farm
Pastured Pigs, Sheep & Kids
in the mountains of Vermont
Read about our on-farm butcher shop project:
http://SugarMtnFarm.com/butchershop
http://SugarMtnFarm.com/csa

#66 04/17/11, 12:21 PM

I can dang sure taste the difference in the vegtables that I grow here on the farm and when I am forced to get vegtables in the store.

postroad · #67 04/17/11, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ghmerrill

I'm not not the only one with this sense of humor, hooray!

I missed it the first time. But that is funny.

paintlady · #68 04/17/11, 12:34 PM

[QUOTE]He never even SAYS there was any Roundup involved, but just ASSUMES there was:
For your information glyphosate IS roundup.

DaleK · #69 04/17/11, 08:10 PM

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For your information glyphosate IS roundup.

No,Roundup IS glyphosate, at least the active ingredient is glyphosate. There are MANY, MANY glyphosates out there that are not Roundup.

And the issue is, it only says "High concentrations of the pathogen were confirmed on the wheatlege, which likely had been under weed management using glyphosate" with emphasis on the "likely" which is actually not likely at all or the wheat would have been dead.

rambler · #70 04/17/11, 08:10 PM

[QUOTE=paintlady;5075548]

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He never even SAYS there was any Roundup involved, but just ASSUMES there was:

For your information glyphosate IS roundup.

I'm all for people raising their own food to their own standards. Not against organics at all.

I don't like the inconsistant way things are presented, and the very original point of this thread points out that inconsistancy. Those who 'push' organic ways onto others have over reached a bit.

The problem with Huber is that he has been discredited many times.

There is no farmer at all that will stand a 40% death loss of their calves and figure that is normal. That amount of death loss and the differences between wet wheat haylage & drier hay haylage would be - mold. It is known to cause such livestock abortions, and something one would at least check into first.

However, he 'assumes' the problem is some tiny organisim no one else has even ever seen, that he assumes is caused by glyphosate in a crop that has not been GMO'ed into using glyphosate on the crop of wheat???????

What a goof.

If you present _that_ as any sort of proof of your point of view, those who are able to think will be laughing at you.

Come up with something better than that!

Fine if you prefer organic. No problem. But if you want to prove some sort of superiority, you need to come up with some facts to support that. What Huber says is nonesense, and it doesn't take much to prove he's out to lunch on this. He doesn't follow scienctific logic or tests or nothing, he just babbles about things that are obvious to even simple high school grads that his babble can't be true of anything.

Again, I'm not against organic stuff, good for you if that's what you want, and I think home grown food is better tasting to what one can buy in the store as well - organic or not, local generally tastes much better I agree.

The original point of the thread is the humor in people 'thinking' something is better because of a pre-concived notion.

The fact that you start citing Huber in this thread as proving _anything_ is just funny, and re-enforces the orignial message - that people don't understand science but have pre-concived notions they believe in despite any science at all.

--->Paul

paintlady · #71 04/18/11, 02:16 PM

I would like to know where you get your information from. Dr. Huber has not been discredited. Only those people that support Monsanto would like to do so as he has hit a nerve with them.
For those people that would like to learn more about the affects of herbicides on plants and animals so that you can protect your families here is another link.

http://www.non-gmoreport.com/article...hosate_use.php

sammyd · #72 04/18/11, 02:29 PM

And if you believe that I have a bridge to sell ya....

Bearfootfarm · #73 04/18/11, 03:21 PM

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For your information glyphosate IS roundup.

I know what Glyphosate is

Did you READ what he really SAID?
He doesn't KNOW if it was used or not:

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High concentrations of the pathogen were confirmed on the wheatlege, which likely had been under weed management using glyphosate

Heritagefarm · #74 04/18/11, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearfootfarm

I realize it's possible, but I haven't seen any evidence these "pesticides" and "fugicides" are ALWAYS used, or cause any harm when they are used.

All I keep seeing is a lot of rhetoric and no real data, and most of the sources presented are pushing "organic" as the only way to do things.

If these chemicals were so toxic, why aren't there dead bodies everywhere, since the vast majority are eating them every day?

Generally, you don't eat things that are absolutely toxic. The goal is to illeminate as much toxic stuff as possible. But, back on the herbicides, why won't the plant absorb them? After all, that is how the herbicide kills the plant - by being absorbed by it.

Bearfootfarm · #75 04/18/11, 03:36 PM

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For those people that would like to learn more about the affects of herbicides on plants and animals so that you can protect your families here is another link

A link to an interview with the same person doesn't prove much.
He still has no credibility

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110404/...versial_side_1

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The idea here is that Roundup use may have inadvertently facilitated the development of this uber-pathogen, much in the way Monsanto’s superweed problem is an unwelcome side effect of Roundup. This concept has some merit since there’s research indicating plants sprayed with glyphosate or other herbicides are more susceptible to biological and physiological disorders, although a disease increase in Roundup crops hasn’t been proven.

As for all the secrecy, Huber, who lives in Idaho, says he didn’t go through the usual, time-consuming process of submitting his work to a scientific publication for review because he wanted to get the message immediately to the USDA, which was weighing decisions on Monsanto’s Roundup Ready GE alfalfa and Roundup Ready GE sugar beets, both of which the agency has since approved for planting.

And the anonymous members of his stealth “team of senior plant and animal scientists,” hailing from the Midwest, Florida, Brazil and Canada? Huber says he doesn’t want to identify them because some work for universities that receive funding from the biotech industry and he worries about them facing backlash.

http://www.bnet.com/blog/food-indust...to-or-not/2836

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Forbes reports many scientists have come out against the study stating Huber hasn't released any evidence of his claims. The Purdue professor emeritus has only made general statements about his team of scientists who made the discovery. It is also important to note that Huber also recognizes that more research is necessary, hence his reason for the letter.

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This is not the first time Huber has come under fire. An article posted by Purdue University has distanced itself from the emeritus professor when he concluded in 2010 a "doomsday scenario" was being made in modern agriculture with micronutrient deficiencies in soybeans causing disease.

Purdue has distanced itself from Huber in his new tirade against genetically modified crops. The Los Angeles Times reports many soybean crops have suffered from "sudden death syndrome" which Huber has attributed to the genetic modification. Farmers have stated they had perfectly healthy crops at one point and then less than a week later the plants were dead and yellow.

Bearfootfarm · #76 04/18/11, 03:42 PM

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But, back on the herbicides, why won't the plant absorb them? After all, that is how the herbicide kills the plant - by being absorbed by it.

I never said a plant couldn't absorb them.

I said there is no proof it's harmful to anything other than the targeted pest.

It has to be sprayed on living plants for it to kill them

sammyd · #77 04/21/11, 09:11 AM

It seems that Huber is presenting a series of lectures here in WI sponsored by the grazing network.
It might be interesting to go see one......