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04/16/11, 10:17 AM
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You just rinse them off, just like you would anything even you are taking out of your own garden, no big deal.
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How much is taken up by the carrot itself? What makes you think the fungicides and chemicals just stay on the outside?
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04/16/11, 10:33 AM
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What makes you think the fungicides and chemicals just stay on the outside?
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What makes you think they don't?
What makes you think they are there at all?
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Marc, I can taste the difference between Longhorn beef and Angus beef. I prefer the Longhorn due to the fact that the meat grain is closer and less fat. It does taste better. I ate Longhorn beef at a restaurant in Austin, TX. It tasted soooo good!
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04/16/11, 12:31 PM
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What makes you think they don't?
What makes you think they are there at all?
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Generally, when you apply some chemicals, the chemicals end up, well, somewhere. Of course, that's just a basic law of physics, so I could be wrong.
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the chemicals end up, well, somewhere. Of course,
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Yes on the outside....
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04/16/11, 02:00 PM
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I wouldn't pay more just because I know too many organic farmers. The ones up the road that had a crop lost to weather 2 years ago and were seen buying at the local farmers market to fill orders, his son shows up at our vet's office for growth antibiotics for there organicly fed beef. The co-op we ship milk to bottles organic milk for a chain store and our milk tester said the refuse a few tankers of organic milk a year for drug contamination. It is good marketing though, they charge $4.50 a doz for eggs and people only buy ours at $2 when they run out!
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How interesting that the study compared junk food, and not, for instance, produce. There is no comparison between organic oranges, bananas, milk, etc and the conventionally grown counterpart.
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04/16/11, 02:11 PM
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Generally, when you apply some chemicals, the chemicals end up, well, somewhere. Of course, that's just a basic law of physics, so I could be wrong.
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Fungicides are most often used on the leaves, and aren't necessarily harmful to anything other than the fungus.
Many toss out buzz words like "fungicide" or "chemicals" and imply it's something horrible.
Fungicides CAN be " organic", like Sulfur and Copper
http://www.planetnatural.com/site/xd...ungicides.html
I'd be more concerned with the E Coli and Staph you apply with your manure
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04/16/11, 02:17 PM
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What makes you think they don't?
What makes you think they are there at all?
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They are grown in chemicals. They absorb water and nutrients from that soil. It would seem very far fetched that none of those chemicals are absorbed by the plant.
Here's an article that talks about pesticides absorbed by certain veggies;
http://www.livestrong.com/article/14...es-herbicides/
according to this one, certain 'soft skin' fruits and veggies absorb pesticides through the skin ( which is common sense);
http://www.neverstopfitness.com/top-...o-buy-organic/
It doesn't prove anything, I'm no scientist but if given the option to eat food that was grown in chemicals or food that is grown naturally...I'll choose natural...seems like a no brainer.
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04/16/11, 02:33 PM
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Fungicides are most often used on the leaves, and aren't necessarily harmful to anything other than the fungus.
Many toss out buzz words like "fungicide" or "chemicals" and imply it's something horrible.
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Um, hello, some of us eat leaves.
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04/16/11, 03:13 PM
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Fungicides are most often used on the leaves, and aren't necessarily harmful to anything other than the fungus.
Many toss out buzz words like "fungicide" or "chemicals" and imply it's something horrible.
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Those aren't 'buzz words' they are correct terms. They are not horrible, I would just prefer not to ingest them. And where do they go when they fall off the leaf? Into the ground where the potato is growing.
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LOL
This is your source.
I wonder if they have an agenda?
Notice they never SAID the "chemicals" were IN the produce, but that were found ON it.
Also, they never named anything found, but merely said "pesticides".
Much hype, little substance as always
The same applies to the second source.
Lots of "can have" and "could be", but no REAL specific information
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Um, hello, some of us eat leaves
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On carrots? That was the subject referred to about "fungicides"
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Those aren't 'buzz words' they are correct terms.
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They are buzzwords in the context in which they were used.
If you prefer not to eat "chemicals" then you can't eat anythng at all
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So are you saying that fungicides are used only on root crops? And yes, I do eat carrot leave, and beet leaves, too.
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So are you saying that fungicides are used only on root crops? And yes, I do eat carrot leave, and beet leaves, too.
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I'm saying carrots were what was being discussed.
You're the only person I've ever heard of who eats carrot leaves
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04/16/11, 09:03 PM
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I'm saying carrots were what was being discussed.
You're the only person I've ever heard of who eats carrot leaves
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LOL...I use them to make soup stock. They lend a very nice flavor. :-)
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04/17/11, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Bearfootfarm
Fungicides are most often used on the leaves, and aren't necessarily harmful to anything other than the fungus.
Many toss out buzz words like "fungicide" or "chemicals" and imply it's something horrible.
Fungicides CAN be " organic", like Sulfur and Copper
http://www.planetnatural.com/site/xd...ungicides.html
I'd be more concerned with the E Coli and Staph you apply with your manure
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You fail to realize that plants do indeed absorb nutrients through their leaves. When the stomata open, it allows for the exchange of gases and the absorbtion of atmospheric CO2, or O2 if the RuBP is unlucky, resulting in photorespiration along the salvage pathway instead of photosynthesis. Yes, plants can absorb nutrients through the leaves, and also release them.
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"Angus"
It adds like 2.00/lb to the meat.
I need to raise something "Angus", even if that's only what I name the beef cow.
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It's the same thing for the term Homegrown. One, of course you're going to appreciate the fruits of your own labors compared to store-bought produce. Two, there are breeds of produce selected for taste, and breeds of produce selected for ability to ship. Ability to ship while still passing as edible is important to big producers wanting to ship far and wide. It's not the fact that produce in farmer's markets is Homegrown that makes it delicious, but the fact that it's 1) a breed of produce bred for flavor over its longevity on the stand and 2) fresh, as it would most likely have to be for peak flavor.
I worked for a seed company and occasionally taste tested various things. I remember in particular one row of cantalopes where the vines were vigorous and prolific and the fruits uniform and attractive. But when it came to tasting, after having tested a few dozen other varieties the first thing out of my mouth was "obviously not bred for taste" and gave it a 1 out of 5. (We rated the average between flavor and texture - I may be forgetting a 3rd characteristic I can't recall at the moment.) We tested blindly not knowing if a variety was that of a competitor, our own brand, or an experimental as was the vast majority. Apparently my comment (which was logged) really angered the breeder as he was counting on this particular strain as being the most marketable. Who knows, looks count for a lot when it comes to parting with a customer's money so maybe he did end up selling it.
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I was talking to a contract egg producer a while back and when I asked her if they have a fly problem on their property she informed that they dont. "There are additives in the chicken feed that make their poop less attractive to flies".
What will they think of next?
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The truth is tough for non-farmers to swallow I know. It is tough to come to terms with the FACT that organic is a label, not a pesticide free practice. That tillage in organic systems is harmful to the soil. And finally, that "organic" farmers often are short on production, and so top up loads with their neighbors conventional crops to fill contracts.
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Maybe this is a Canadian practice where you are from but it is not done in the US. Here the semi loads of organic grains are tested_ EACH LOAD and if they were to be contaminated with "neighbors" conventional crops they would be rejected.
We have been CERTIFIED organic for 14 years and get our farms inspected each and every year- which by the way we have to PAY for.The inspectors go through EVERYTHING with a fine tooth comb including two empty houses on our property, all of our buildings, grain bins and all equipment related to farming on our farm to make sure that there are NO chemicals here. Then there are the piles of paperwork which documents everything from our farming practices to the weather each and every time we go into the field. We have to rotate crops each year which can be a challenge. We use cover crops for nutrients and to prevent erosion. We have buffer strips to ensure that our fields are not contaminated with a neighbors crops.
The semi trucks that haul our grains have to have clean out affidavits to insure that our crops are not contaminated by accident when they are being transported. Our own trucks and combines also have to have this documentation. The inspector also checks our machinery for any leaks that might allow hydraulic fluids to come in contact with the soil. Being certified organic is a lot of hard work and expense and I resent you stating " facts" like you are an expert on organic farming.
The main reason that we make the commitment to remain organic is that we have seen first hand the damage that chemicals do to the soil and human health. Also, for more information regarding pesticides and herbicides check this out- http://farmandranchfreedom.org/gmo-miscarriages
Many people in the US have no idea what is in the food that they are eating. In my opinion that taste of organic food is a mute point and is only one of the benefits. More important is the absence of chemicals such as roundup which does harm to living beings.
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