Military Families being notified of less Pay

used2bcool13 · #41 04/10/11, 08:12 AM

My Son is in the Marines and is currently deployed in Afganistan, his wife let me know that some of credit unions are making up the difference in the paycheck on the 15th (only half) as of yesterday evening.

" just found out anyone who has Navy Federal or Marine Federal Credit Union they are going to be issuing all military who have direct deposit their entire paycheck for the 15th." per dil.

These politicians obviously don't have anyone in the military who has to pay rent, utilities, food or a mortgage and needs their check.

Glad the gov worked it out but the ripple effect is amazing and these guys and gals don't need one more thing to be worried about while they are fighting in our country's service.

Energy Rebel · #42 04/10/11, 08:25 AM

For those that think that "everything is OK, problem solved", I'll check back with you in a week or so.
Read the fine print of what passed on friday night, it's far from over.
I guess this administration is totally oblivious to what's been going on in the rest of the world. Go ahead and tick off the military, the people that have weapons and are trained to use them.
Here's some French words they should look up.

Coup de' tat.
Viva la revolution.

arabian knight · #43 04/10/11, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Energy Rebel

For those that think that "everything is OK, problem solved", I'll check back with you in a week or so.
Read the fine print of what passed on friday night, it's far from over.
I guess this administration is totally oblivious to what's been going on in the rest of the world. Go ahead and tick off the military, the people that have weapons and are trained to use them.
Here's some French words they should look up.

Coup de' tat.
Viva la revolution.

Well its all over at the moment till Sept. When they start it all over again for the 2012 Budget.

DJ in WA · #44 04/10/11, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonshine

Well said. Most people don't realize that the lower ranking military members are below poverty level, so things like this hits them hard.

Not sure why everyone is having such a hard time. Their basic needs are met, which is why most joined up. There are millions of Americans without a job and healthcare, etc.

My son has been in the Air Force about 5 years as an enlisted. He has bought a house, has two pickup trucks, an enclosed trailer, a big new four wheeler, snow tracks for it costing thousands, a motorcycle, spent thousands on guns, etc.

Perhaps it helps he's single and renting to roommates, but nobody said you have to get married.

The problem with paying the military just makes my suggestion look all the better - we should all be volunteering to serve without pay. Defending the country should be everyone's responsibility - not just the poor kids.

calliesue · #45 04/10/11, 09:25 PM

- we should all be volunteering to serve without pay. Defending the country should be everyone's responsibility - not just the poor kids.
Until that Utopian ideal comes to pass, the government should pay them what they were promised..
Congress should definitely not get paid if the military is not getting paid.

salmonslayer · #46 04/10/11, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ in WA

Not sure why everyone is having such a hard time. Their basic needs are met, which is why most joined up. There are millions of Americans without a job and healthcare, etc.

My son has been in the Air Force about 5 years as an enlisted. He has bought a house, has two pickup trucks, an enclosed trailer, a big new four wheeler, snow tracks for it costing thousands, a motorcycle, spent thousands on guns, etc.

Perhaps it helps he's single and renting to roommates, but nobody said you have to get married.

The problem with paying the military just makes my suggestion look all the better - we should all be volunteering to serve without pay. Defending the country should be everyone's responsibility - not just the poor kids.

I think you have a common misconception that the military is just a bunch of poor kids looking for a leg up...I served in the USMC and Army and retired last year, I have two sons in the AF, both having served previously in the Army and we all joined primarily because of the adventure and the sense that you were doing something worthwhile with your life. The military needs and recruits HS grads, college grads and wants agressive athletes who can handle the physical and mental requirements; particularly now since you seem to have not noticed we have been at war for over a decade. Its not for everyone and only a very small percentage of the US population actually serves so I dont know where you got the notion people should just serve for free. Even the Continental Army got paid for crying out loud (of course they missed a few paydays at times...gee history could repeat itself eh?).

You seem to take great exception to your sons success, he sure couldnt buy all those things if he was a slug after 5 years of service so he has been successful in his chosen profession. You should be proud of him (and I suspect you probably are), not throwing him under the bus because you have issues with what he does.

I will say this though and Beeman was more on point, lots of folks are barely scraping buy and military pay has improved tremendously so most of the hand wringing for the lower enlisted who are living on welfare is mostly misdirected concern. Plenty of those around to be sure but its usually caused by the same poor choices that non-military young people get wrapped up in and since about half the population qualifies for some form of public assistance now days that is hardly an indicator of need.

And finally since this is a homesteading site, shouldnt there be some discussion about why we have people who are going to starve if a paycheck is a week late? I mean wouldnt it make more sense to use this as an example to these people to be a bit more prepared?

Sonshine · #47 04/11/11, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ in WA

Not sure why everyone is having such a hard time. Their basic needs are met, which is why most joined up. There are millions of Americans without a job and healthcare, etc.

My son has been in the Air Force about 5 years as an enlisted. He has bought a house, has two pickup trucks, an enclosed trailer, a big new four wheeler, snow tracks for it costing thousands, a motorcycle, spent thousands on guns, etc.

Perhaps it helps he's single and renting to roommates, but nobody said you have to get married.

The problem with paying the military just makes my suggestion look all the better - we should all be volunteering to serve without pay. Defending the country should be everyone's responsibility - not just the poor kids.

Military pay and allowances in the United States are distributed on the 1st and 15th day of the month. If the 1st or 15th fall on a weekend or national holiday payment will be made the working day prior. The pay scales below are proposals for active and reserve components of the Navy, Marines, Army, Air Force, Coast Guard and National Guard, and are monthly amounts rounded to the nearest US dollar.

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Share 2011 Enlisted Pay Chart - 2011 Officer Pay Chart
2011 Enlisted Reserve/Guard Drill Pay Chart
2011 Officer Reserve/Guard Military Drill Pay Chart

2011 Basic Enlisted Military Pay ChartPay Grade Years of Service
Less than 2 Over 2 Over 3 Over 4 Over 6
E-9
E-8
E-7 2638 2879 2989 3135 3249
E-6 2281 2510 2621 2728 2840
E-5 2091 2230 2338 2448 2620
E-4 1915 2014 2123 2231 2326
E-3 1730 1839 1950 1950 1950
E-2 1645 1645 1645 1645 1645
E-1 1467 1467 1467 1467 1467
E-1 with less than 4 months of service 1357

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Pay Grade Years of Service
Over 8 Over 10 Over 12 Over 14 Over 16
E-9 4635 4740 4872 5029
E-8 3794 3962 4066 4191 4325
E-7 3444 3554 3751 3914 4025
E-6 3094 3193 3382 3441 3484
E-5 2800 2947 2965 2965 2965
E-4 2326 2326 2326 2326 2326
E-3 1950 1950 1950 1950 1950
E-2 1645 1645 1645 1645 1645
E-1 1467 1467 1467 1467 1467

Pay Grade Years of Service
Over 18 Over 20 Over 22 Over 24 Over 26
E-9 5185 5436 5649 5874 6215
E-8 4568 4692 4902 5018 5305
E-7 4143 4189 4343 4426 4740
E-6 3533 3533 3533 3533 3533
E-5 2965 2965 2965 2965 2965
E-4 2326 2326 2326 2326 2326
E-3 1950 1950 1950 1950 1950
E-2 1645 1645 1645 1645 1645
E-1 1467 1467 1467 1467 1467
Enlisted Over 30 Years of Service
Pay Grade Years of Service
Over 30 Over 34 Over 38 Over 40
E-9 6526 6853 7196 Make room
E-8 5411 5411 5411 Retire!!

So, let's see.... pay grade for E1 is 1467 a month, which means a little over $700 per pay period. 1/2 of that $700 would be about $350. Not sure how a person is suppose to pay rent or mortgage with $350.

used2bcool13 · #48 04/11/11, 06:43 AM

Thank you Sonshine, I couldn't have said it better!

I don't understand the sentiment that people in the military don't have to get married. Or that the military persons already have their basic needs met. That is only if they live in the barracks and eat at the mess hall or whatever, otherwise you are relying on a paycheck or housing allowance.

Anyone would complain if they received half of their paycheck right?

And I do agree, stocking up on food and becoming more self reliant is the way to go but very hard to do on a serviceman's pay.

sidepasser · #49 04/11/11, 09:50 AM

Well being from a military background (my dad was a lifer in the Army) we struggled until my dad made Warrant Officer. My mom is the epitome of coupon clipping, canning, gardening, and butchering and we saved money where ever we could, I wore hand me downs all through school until the 10th grade when dad's pay went up. Edited to add - I ALWAYS wore my cousin's hand me downs as mom couldn't afford to buy new clothes for me - my cousin was shorter than I was and smaller..sigh..nothing ever fit but it was wear it or go naked. I did get two pair of shoes each year, one in the spring and one in the fall. We lived with my grandmother part of the time my dad was in service and had a huge garden which we canned every.single.thing we could. That I think is what saved us much of the time. Of course in military housing it is real tough to garden.

My dad worked for the military 8-5 and afterwards picked apples in an orchard to get enough money to support us.

Things may be better now, but I can assure you as of a couple of years ago, my friend and co-worker told me that she had to leave the military after 7 years because her and her husband could not make enough to pay for basics and they were receiving food stamps. these were farm kids that went to college and got degrees and still couldn't make on the military pay, so my GF opted out and came to work with me, tripling her pay and going off foodstamps.

The military is great for singles and those that have spent enough time in to get up the career ladder in rank/pay grade. It is not so great for young families with children.

Rose · #50 04/11/11, 09:58 AM

If people are going to starve just from their paycheck being one week late, then I think there were issues before they decided to join the military..

Sonshine · #51 04/11/11, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rose

If people are going to starve just from their paycheck being one week late, then I think there were issues before they decided to join the military..

First of all, it wasn't going to be a week late, but yes, there are issues, yet some of us believe serving in the military is something that needs to be done. Glad you find it so boring that those who have chosen to protect you get paid so little.

Sonshine · #52 04/11/11, 10:20 AM

DH just called and told me they military is saying that pay should be straightened out in time to get your full mid month pay.

salmonslayer · #53 04/11/11, 10:58 AM

Sonshine, your basic pay chart use is why so many people are crying foul; you listed the base pay chart but you failed to show BAS, BHA, COLA in some cases etc that service members would get if they were allowed to live off base or had family.

No one starting as an E-1 is going to be living high off the hog but neither do those starting out at the bottom as a civilian. My point is that when you exaggerate their pay difficulties by not disclosing their tax free allowances you harm your argument and its frankly deceiving.

Sonshine · #54 04/11/11, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by salmonslayer

Sonshine, your basic pay chart use is why so many people are crying foul; you listed the base pay chart but you failed to show BAS, BHA, COLA in some cases etc that service members would get if they were allowed to live off base or had family.

No one starting as an E-1 is going to be living high off the hog but neither do those starting out at the bottom as a civilian. My point is that when you exaggerate their pay difficulties by not disclosing their tax free allowances you harm your argument and its frankly deceiving.

No, it's not deceiving. If people want to know about military pay, either look it up or enlist. Bottom line is, those who are lower rank qualify for welfare. People are crying foul for the same reasons they always have, they consider the military as servants who don't deserve any better, yet they have not served and lived the military life. It's a hard life to live, but for those who serve it's one that they live in order to be there to protect others. As for BAS, BHA and COLA, one reason I didn't mention it is because it varies according to where a person lives.