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03/24/11, 12:08 AM
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Some home owners feel that the flying rock coming off past blasts have caused significant damage to their homes.
They need to hire a powder man. I have blown a lot of things in my life time and never had anything like rocks going to houses. I am sure that if I blew a rock big enough to break a window to surrounding homes I would have heard about it.The houses must be built close to the rock quarry to have that kind of damage less than 25 feet from the blast area.
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03/24/11, 08:58 AM
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No chance that private business would do anything wrong, after all they provide jobs and a needed service. All hail!
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03/24/11, 09:04 AM
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SO rocks are flying far enough to damage homes....and the homeowners haven't ever filed complaints before now?
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03/24/11, 09:05 AM
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Yes.
That is how people work.
They want to rule others.
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Amoung the things I've learned in life are these two tidbits...
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03/24/11, 09:06 AM
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Well of course,they aren't to be subject to the same rules.
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03/24/11, 02:15 PM
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Had the same thing happen here, shut down the gravel quarry, and now the gravel has to come from 40 miles sway. It doubled the cost of getting materials. There is a trade off to almost anything- if you want food, you are going to have to stop making subdivisions. If you want meat, you put up with manures. If you want rock, you deal with some noise, and some rocks on the roads.
Maybe its a good thing the government provides so many jobs. We can get rid of all those pesky businesses ruining everything. Complete utopia! We all go to work for the government, get fantastic pay, benefits, and great retirement.
Oh, wait...... Thats what we're going towards in this country....dejavu? Hadn't that been tried before somewhere???
Honestly, there are times I can't wait for it all to melt down. This reverse darwinism that we have going on in this country drives me nuts.
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03/24/11, 02:58 PM
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I think the quarry folks should sell their land to a tysone chicken farm. Make sure all the fans blow towards the town folks.
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Justsawing are you worried about the same attitude coming to your place?
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03/24/11, 11:26 PM
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Often times, Zoning Regulations can solve these problems. Trouble is, though, no one wants regulation until the lack of regulation hurts them.
Not far from here, there is a gravel quarry. No blasting, just lots of digging. The company bought the land and there were houses near the property line. Now just a few feet (20—30) from the houses they have dug a deep pit. Since it is sandy/gravel soil, hard to tell when a good rain will cause the house to slip into the gravel pit. The quarry is owned by a limited Liability Corporation, a separate company from the part that owns lots of equipment. So, when the gravel runs out, they walk away from it. Sue them and you get their only asset, the hole in the ground.
Good zoning rules would have created buffer areas between houses and quarries. Too late now.
Another area, northwest of Ionia, a company wanted to house 5,000,000 chickens on 5 acres. That would be the housing, the feed mixing plant and the composting lagoons. No zoning. The locals objected and the company decided to move. But, if the company didn’t want to go, no one could have stopped them. Zoning would have protected the locals from that. But you have to have zoning in place ahead of time.
A Muir, MI farmer wanted to expand his hog operation from 40 sows to 4,000. He got all his permits and began construction. Neighbors, who moved to the country to enjoy the pure fresh air, objected. Township officials said they couldn’t stop the construction and were recalled. The new officers put a halt to the operation. The farmer sued and won. Just about broke the Township’s budget. Zoning would have prevented this by providing residential zones away from agriculture zones or set limits to the number of sows per acre.
I can see both sides of this. The Quarry is making a profit hauling the rock out, they bought the land and are paying taxes. The people that live nearby have to put up with blasting and heavy trucks breaking down the roads.
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03/24/11, 11:51 PM
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The answer is more rules and regulations.
Of course you could just mind your own business and stop thinking about what if's....crazy idea I know.
I wonder what happened to the real Americans,the rugged individualists that minded their own business and wanted others to mind theirs????
Too easy for the Nanny to do everything now I guess.
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03/25/11, 06:05 AM
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The answer is more rules and regulations.
Of course you could just mind your own business and stop thinking about what if's....crazy idea I know.
I wonder what happened to the real Americans,the rugged individualists that minded their own business and wanted others to mind theirs????
Too easy for the Nanny to do everything now I guess.
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Back when you felt crowded if you could see your neighbor's wood smoke, zoning wasn't much of an issue, but it has been a long time since Abe Lincoln was President, too.
Those rugged Americans got to do what they wanted and managed to nearly wipe out the Bison, Carrier Pigeon, Grayling and enough timber to build a bridge from here to the moon while carving up the land extracting copper, iron, nickel, gold and coal. Scars that'll never heal. You want more of that?
I'd like to think we've progressed beyond that mentality where we draw out drinking water up stream and out sewage goes in downstream. Civilization requires rules. Go back to the dark ages if you want, I'm not going to follow you there.
I’d like to completely stop all growth and development. I can’t . So, I take the next best choice, controlled development. We have to have industry. Fine, let’s make a place away from the homes and schools for industry. I don’t want a tire recycling plant near me. Fine, zone an area down near the RR tracks for that. Let the people of the community have a voice in how they want their community to look in the future. Adopt zoning regulations to protect the quality of life for everyone.
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03/25/11, 07:20 AM
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My husband's business had the exact same types of problems from the "good people" of the subdivision near the location. It was fine when the business bought the property. It was fine when the business built roads to the property across fields. But once they started hauling in sand and gravel they were "bringing down property values and ruining the area". When they put up a blacktop plant some of the "good people" of the subdivision about stroked out. Thanks be to God, they were just outside city limits, so the city zoning board couldn't stop them and the county zoning wanted to add jobs to the area, so they approved of the company.
Now those "good people" of that suburb have called many times searching for jobs for themselves or their kids as truck drivers or laborers for the business. I guess that business doesn't look so bad when they need a job or need a driveway laid for their property.
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Those rugged Americans got to do what they wanted and managed to nearly wipe out the Bison, Carrier Pigeon, Grayling and enough timber to build a bridge from here to the moon while carving up the land extracting copper, iron, nickel, gold and coal. Scars that'll never heal. You want more of that?
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If it is on my land and I own it,it is mine to do with as I want.
I do believe there are MORE trees now than even before...small point.
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I'd like to think we've progressed beyond that mentality where we draw out drinking water up stream and out sewage goes in downstream. Civilization requires rules. Go back to the dark ages if you want, I'm not going to follow you there.
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You seem to think the answer is to make everyone conform to what you think is right.
How about UNTIL my actions impact you,it is none of your business?
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I’d like to completely stop all growth and development. I can’t . So, I take the next best choice, controlled development. We have to have industry. Fine, let’s make a place away from the homes and schools for industry. I don’t want a tire recycling plant near me. Fine, zone an area down near the RR tracks for that.
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There is no zoning where I am currently in NC,there is a ton of zoning in SC where we live,it is cleaner,less crowded,and a better place to live up here.
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Let the people of the community have a voice in how they want their community to look in the future. Adopt zoning regulations to protect the quality of life for everyone.
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The quarry was there,people knew it was,perhaps they should adapt to the quarry?
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03/25/11, 03:48 PM
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oz says, "You seem to think the answer is to make everyone conform to what you think is right.
How about UNTIL my actions impact you,it is none of your business?"
You have identified the problem. If people wait until the actions impact them, it is too late. If zoning would have been in place, perhaps the quarry wouldn't fit in the residential zone and the people would not have bought that land and developed it into what the neighbors see as a nuisance.
You shouldn't wait until the Or-Ida factory is built and they've filled their four 10 acre rotting potato settling ponds to complain. Too late.
You don't wait until the bottled water factory is sucking 500,000 gallons a day from the groundwater under your property to complain. Too late.
There have been conflicts like this for a long time. Too many people don't care how the activity on their property effects those around them or the future generations.
It looks like the quarry is there legally. It looks like the people that are nearby will have to put up with the dust, noise, truck traffic and reduced value of their
homes. Too bad. It could have been prevented with a Land Use Plan and a corasponding Zoning Ordinance that directed that development.
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Unless your actions directly impact another's property,I would suggest people should mind their own business.
Don't like the hog farm,buy them out,move or shut up.
I don't like other people near me,instead of demanding that no-one be allowed to build near me,I bought land that will let me be far enough away.
Those who enjoy forcing others to do what they want enjoy zoning and ordinances,they really belong in gated communities and should stay away from others...lets them dictate to each other what they can and cannot do....
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03/25/11, 07:16 PM
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If your fortunate enough you might make it through life without being effected, if you do you're lucky. Anyone that thinks they can buy enough land to not be effected is either extremely rich or dreaming.
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03/25/11, 07:23 PM
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If your fortunate enough you might make it through life without being effected, if you do you're lucky.
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Nope been affected by our current neighbors,lost out on selling this home due to them...could have called the county as their home was too close to the property line...but it isn't my place to do that as it is their land.
There are people who cannot understand principles such as private property rights,there are a LOT of them in fact.
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Anyone that thinks they can buy enough land to not be effected is either extremely rich or dreaming.
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I can isolate myself as much as possible,and know that I cannot control what others do on their land,even if legally I can.
But then that is because I believe in private property rights.
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03/25/11, 08:16 PM
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haypoint, I hate to be the one to tell you but in this country we still draw municipal drinking water from the same stream the sewage is dumped into.
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03/25/11, 10:03 PM
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Nope been affected by our current neighbors,lost out on selling this home due to them...could have called the county as their home was too close to the property line...but it isn't my place to do that as it is their land.
There are people who cannot understand principles such as private property rights,there are a LOT of them in fact.
I can isolate myself as much as possible,and know that I cannot control what others do on their land,even if legally I can.
But then that is because I believe in private property rights.
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Not quite the same as rocks flying through the air from blasting.
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03/25/11, 10:17 PM
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Thats due to sloppy filling of the blast holes. When you load the sticks, and fertilizer, you fill the last 10 or so feet with fine dust. IF you get a rock in the hole it cann jam and cause rock to fly out.
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