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03/16/11, 04:09 PM
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Many restaurants are using a quaternary ammonia or iodine based sanitizer now and have been for years. Yes...bleach still has it's place when used properly, but especially in restaurants with high employee turnover it is tough to train and monitor proper use with a jug of bleach. A teaspoon per gallon is all that is needed, but I have seen too many folks dumping a half a cup or more in a gallon bucket for wiping down tables and stuff.
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Never was hard for me, you train your people and then follow up. You get what you expect and what you inspect from your employee's
I taught restaurant sanitation in 3 states in the late 70's, 80's and very early 90's, and yes a few do use quaternary ammonia or iodine based sanitizer and have for years. I hated the iodine based as it turned the plastics an ugly color.
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03/16/11, 05:59 PM
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The smell of bleach makes me nauseous and triggers migraines. We keep it around for emergency water purification... I don't allow anyone to clean with it here!
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03/16/11, 08:05 PM
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Had friends that got their well got contaminated by their septic when it flooded..or something ?? Cleansed it for a couple of months with the cheaper bleach and it was cleaning up the water. Then was told that Clorox is stronger and to only use that type to clean their water.
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03/16/11, 09:36 PM
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bleach IS of the devil!
A lot of companies are making a "natural bleach" now. It's just hydrogen peroxide.
"Green Bleach" is sold at all major grocery stores here in Canada. None of the nasty health issues OR "environmental holocaust"
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03/16/11, 10:00 PM
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Hubby purchased very concentrated hydrogen peroxide for his photography business. Please know that that stuff can burn your eyes and clean out your sinuses like nobody's business.
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I have better than 20 years experience as a water treatment plant chemist, not a problem.
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03/16/11, 10:59 PM
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I hate to use Bleach because it always has a magical attraction for whatever shirt I am wearing. We don't use a lot of bleach so I buy the Clorox version that is thicker because it splashes less easily.
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03/17/11, 10:03 PM
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Went to the store today and checked the gallon bottles. Clorox 6% Store brand 6%.
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03/18/11, 06:50 AM
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We do a lot of Rving. It can get real expensive to maintain the toilet holding tank using commercial products sold by RV specialty stores. For years now we have been using bleach, and liquid laundry detergent. During summer use it can be a real battle to keep the smell down to a civilized level no matter what you use. That said, we only use Clorox brand. For some reason, in this application, Clorox is far superior to store brands. A generic can list the same 6% strength and cost half as much, but be nearly worthless in use. I don't have a clue as to why this is, but it isn't worth the "savings" in this case.
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03/18/11, 09:54 AM
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I am a retired laboratory technician. We had rather strict rules about how to clean the lab counters as well as what to use as a cleaner. We made a 10% bleach solution made from Clorox Bleach only. Reading the comments, I can understand why, as a constant 6% level is preferred when making a dilution.
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03/19/11, 02:29 AM
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As a silly side note to this discussion, Walmart used to price their store brand at 2 cents cheaper than Clorox.
It was odd to see the WM brand nearly sold out, but the shelves of Clorox were still full.
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03/19/11, 11:48 AM
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I use a small amount of bleach to clean my milk lines and I only use Clorox, it might only be my imagination but I think it just looks/smells different then the generic, even though they are both 6%, the other 94% could be different from brand to brand. Like Clovis said, generic and Clorox brand name is a pretty negligible price difference and Costco sells two giant bottles of Clorox for a very decent price.
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03/23/11, 12:41 AM
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i just had an in depth discussion with my health inspector for the restaurant I am currently running. He advised I fill my tank with water ( about 5 gallons) and add one cap full of bleach, then measure the strength with my test strips. It worked like a charm and I then fill my spray bottles with that water and I am good to go for the day.
I discovered I was using WAY too much bleach. What a waste.
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03/23/11, 06:33 PM
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Test strips???
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03/24/11, 08:24 AM
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Test strips???
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You have to test the strength of bleach in the water to sanitize, and use different bleach solutions for tables, appliances, seating, etc.
One gal water with just the bottom of the lid of bleach mixed seemed to test right for us. And we had to make up 13 different gallons in the morning to use for all the different uses-- wiping the outside of appliances, wiping the inside of refrigerators, wiping counters in the prep area, wiping tables in the eating area, wiping the chairs, wiping the counters out in the eating area, wiping the doorknobs and switches, etc.
Plus, if it tests too strong with too much bleach when the health dept inspects you loose points just like if it tests too weak.
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03/24/11, 08:53 AM
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Where do you buy these test strips and what are they actually measuring?
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03/26/11, 09:38 AM
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Where do you buy these test strips and what are they actually measuring?
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They are measuring chlorine ratio in parts per million. As far as where to get them you might try a restaurant supply, food supplier but maybe even a farm store as they may keep them around for dairy or other processors.
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03/28/11, 12:21 PM
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OK all you chemists in the party isn't clorox two things? A acid and a source of chlorine?
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03/28/11, 05:36 PM
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i think the "devil" in bleach is the dioxin biproducts produced in it's manufacturing and it's use...i think. dioxin is nasty, nasty stuff.
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03/31/11, 11:27 PM
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I got the test strips at the used restaurant supply store in Fort Smith Arkansas. $7.00 for ten.  I would try the internet this store is probably the most expensive restaurant supply store I have ever been in. But as far as I know it's the only show in town.
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