Food shortages could bring riots to the US, FOX NEWS 13JAN11

fishhead · #61 01/19/11, 03:19 PM

There's a movie about our future. It's called "Idiocracy". Not too far off base.

highlandview · #62 01/19/11, 03:38 PM

I have concerns about the rising cost of food. I think a lot of people who do not homestead or lay in supplies will be unable to feed their families well. I know a lot of people who if it were not for the Schwan's man driving through their neighborhood they would be short on food now. I started a blog about cooking from scratch in hopes of helping people who would like to learn how. I am currently having a contest on recession proofing your kitchen. Each tip someone leaves enters them to win a free cookbook. My hope is to transfer the entries to a permanent post that can help people as a reference during hard times. I miss my Tightwad Gazette Book. It is currently in storage and is full of ideas for stretching the food budget.

7thswan · #63 01/19/11, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Deacon Mike

This is nonsense

Check the Facts your self.

We have discussed at length all these and other issues down in Politics.I lived thru the Carter days. Thank God i was off grid, and I had the skills I did. Same thing is happening on a far greater scale, and this time I'm much better prepared.

7thswan · #64 01/19/11, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Julia Ann

Unprecedented?

No, I remember back in the early/mid 70's. If I recall correctly, it was '75, maybe '76, sugar and meat prices in particular went very high. No riots that I recall, but then I was a young teenager at the time and may simply have not been aware of them.

So this is not 'unprecedented'.

I remember also, the sugar prices were bad and Mom even tried to figure out a way to reuse canning jar lids by dipping them in paraffin., they were scarce.I don't remember any riots eather.

freedom-rider · #65 01/19/11, 04:41 PM

What is coming in terms of tough times, including food shortages, will make the Great Depression look like "Happy Days."

These are GREAT days we're living RIGHT NOW compared to how it will be. Enjoy. We'll never be the same.

And...how many of you have ever been through even a mild food shortage and have a clue how people respond and react?

In the Great Depression people just beat up others to get what they needed, people won't be so nice these days.

This is what happens when you welcome in mediocrity and entitlement, sell you children to secular humanist curriculums for 40 hours a week, abandon God, truth, and a good work ethic.

greif · #66 01/19/11, 05:20 PM

if there is a meat shortage is it ok to eat my nieghbor?

paintlady · #67 01/19/11, 05:36 PM

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I have concerns about the rising cost of food. I think a lot of people who do not homestead or lay in supplies will be unable to feed their families well. I know a lot of people who if it were not for the Schwan's man driving through their neighborhood they would be short on food now.

People that can afford to buy from the Schwan's man are not having a tough time.

Pony · #68 01/19/11, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by texican

I wonder if there are any organizations, individuals, corporations, whatever, that aren't 'in it' (whatever "it" may be) for the money. Anyone anywhere that isn't "in it" for the money, already has "the money" (read: rich).

In this country, if you don't make money, you go broke, and whatever you were doing you don't do anymore. That is, unless that anti-capitalist force, the government, is 'supporting the cause' (paid for, of course, by the contingent of Americans that "do" have to work "for" money...).

I prefer market driven solutions... if there is a need, someone will fill it... and if the market is good, they'll make money, and succeed. If they try to fill a void that doesn't exist, they go broke. You reward good deeds, and punish bad ones. You don't reward bad deeds.

No one watches a network, it goes down... if everyone watches it, they get rich, and provide even more of whatever the public is clamoring for.

.....what has this got to do with food shortages... and while we're at it, what are you folks that haven't started stocking food doing in those hand baskets, and why is it getting 'hotter and hotter'?

I'm with you on all points except for the first: The rich have plenty, but they want more. They want monopolies, and yes, I'll say (with my tinfoil hat perched jauntily on my head) the current target is the food system.

Bad deeds are no longer punished, if you have the capital to buy yourself a congress-critter or two.

Good deeds are no longer rewarded; in fact, if your good deed (or good product) is seen as competition or cutting into the market of someone who already has a huge market share of both influence and real product, well... You're up that proverbial Alaskan creek sans paddle.

Market driven? Nah, not if you're connected and "too big to fail."

When I read about what's going on, I put more by. Yes, it's getting hotter, but I refuse to climb into the handbasket with the huddled masses, yearning to get something free (to them, not me. I'm one of the beleaguered and dwindling middle class paying for those freebies...)

Those same hand-extended masses, IMO, will riot after waiting around for the govt to come and bail their sorry behinds out of trouble. Or not. Maybe they'll just accept their daily ration of Soylent Green and Soma.

kirkmcquest · #69 01/19/11, 05:57 PM

I thought we were all homesteaders.....what the hell is everyone complaining about food prices for? Aren't we supposed to be growing our own? Isn't that the whole point?

IDK, I thought the whole reason for me getting into homesteading is so I can sit laughing on a pile of homegrown food while watching the world burn! Hahahahaaaaaaaaaa! ( evil laughter).

Cindy in PA · #70 01/19/11, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 7thswan

Why did they remove it? to cripple the middle class in our country. Remember this is being done purposely. Read the Cloward and Piven Strategy. It' s being done to bring up to our knees and they assume we will let socialism and the Government run our lives. Wake up people, ya think the Tea Party's are just hanging out drinking Tea?

The CPI changes were made in the 1980s, you make it sound like it just happened recently. I have been complaining loudly since at least 2002 and just in the last two years FOX gets on the bandwagon!??? Everything we need goes up, bur government says no inflation. We have gone through almost 10 years of a no win situation, not even counting all the loss of jobs that's been going on in the last 40 years. And people please just turn the channel.

salmonslayer · #71 01/19/11, 06:46 PM

Well it appears that Deacon Mike is correct as far as the CPI-W including food and energy costs which is used for SS COLAs...except...its a lot more complicated which is why you arent getting a COLA this year or last. I looked this scheme up on the SS website and its solely based on the 3rd quarter of the year for urban wage earners and clerical workers as compared to the 3rd quarter where there was last a COLA and it is based on figures that do not include taxes.
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/latestCOLA.html. Its a bit confusing but it explains why inflation has been going up but no COLAs are in effect. There are several CPIs released by the federal government and they are all used for various purposes but they really arent a good indicator of inflation particularly when we have such regional variances.

Personally I doubt there will be any mass food riots in this country but the increase in costs will just make it harder for those on marginal incomes to make ends meet and I suspect it will drive more folks to governmental assistance programs. Makes me very grateful that we grow most of our own food.

Deacon Mike · #72 01/19/11, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 7thswan

Yup, we have another Carter X TEN in office. We need to Tax all Chinese Goods,and pay off our debt to them. Course in Carters days the scam was global cooling, ya, that-the ice age never came and now we have the global warming scam. And why isn't everyone screaming at Obama about price of fuel. Is it because they don't want to mention that he shut down our rigs and gave Brazil and George Soros Billions of dollars to drill over there, and off the oil rigs in the Gulf to Friendly waters.

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Originally Posted by Deacon Mike

This is nonsense

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Originally Posted by 7thswan

Check the Facts your self.

Already did. It's all right here
It's nonsense

highlandview · #73 01/19/11, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by paintlady

People that can afford to buy from the Schwan's man are not having a tough time.

I live in a community where people live beyond their means and unfortunately in a true crisis of food scarcity few of them would have the know how or experience to cook from basic ingredients -let alone grow or raise their own food. If food truly is scarce all the money in the world won't necessarily help - but know-how might.

highlandview · #74 01/19/11, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 99RB

What is a swan man?

Schwan's man - drives a refrigerated truck and sells over priced junky food door to door.

SquashNut · #75 01/19/11, 08:05 PM

Well with Australia and other countries having huge natural disasters, we will have price hikes.
I know my neighbors didn't get a COLA this last 2 years.
More and more of our money is going for food. And the food bank is very busy.

ChristieAcres · #76 01/19/11, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kirkmcquest

I thought we were all homesteaders.....what the hell is everyone complaining about food prices for? Aren't we supposed to be growing our own? Isn't that the whole point?

IDK, I thought the whole reason for me getting into homesteading is so I can sit laughing on a pile of homegrown food while watching the world burn! Hahahahaaaaaaaaaa! ( evil laughter).

Yes, and no, think about it a bit. Some folks on here are new, preparing to homestead, others barely having begun the lifestyle changes, a number of stages in between, and then there are the well seasoned ones. If that isn't enough to consider? The weather has done a number on growing by individual farmers and homesteaders, too. It is a good thing we weren't relying on having our fruit from our orchard to get us through the Winter... Out of 21 fruit trees, 19 are mature fruit bearing, and we usually get way more fruit than we can consume (apples, pears, cherries, plums, prune, peach). Last year, our Liberty Apples (2) bore the best (even though they are smaller trees), then the King Apple. The rest bore a few apples per tree, if any. Only one of our (4) pear trees bore, our Bartlett Pear. With a greenhouse, it helped, and we did grow plenty of vegetables. What made the difference for us was my ridiculously diverse planting method.

Not everyone has a milk cow (we don't), their own chickens (we do), sheep (we don't), goats (we don't), rabbits (we do), and the list goes on. Also, folks have different size properties which makes a difference, too (some aren't on property, but living a homesteading type lifestyle). I know some who rely on community gardening.

Regardless that our hard work paid off, despite our dismal orchard results, I am not laughing at others... Circumstances are different for everyone here.

7thswan · #77 01/19/11, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Deacon Mike

Already did. It's all right here
It's nonsense

ya, good ol factcheck , guess you don't know to much about them eather. There Is a reason you haven't discussed this in Politics.

7thswan · #78 01/19/11, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy in PA

The CPI changes were made in the 1980s, you make it sound like it just happened recently. I have been complaining loudly since at least 2002 and just in the last two years FOX gets on the bandwagon!??? Everything we need goes up, bur government says no inflation. We have gone through almost 10 years of a no win situation, not even counting all the loss of jobs that's been going on in the last 40 years. And people please just turn the channel.

Turn the channel and learn even less, that's helpful. Wouldn't want the people to be prepared would we. No... that way they'll grovel at the feet of the government when it all comes crashing down, and accept Marxism like good little boys and girls.

kirkmcquest · #79 01/19/11, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lorichristie

Yes, and no, think about it a bit. Some folks on here are new, preparing to homestead, others barely having begun the lifestyle changes, a number of stages in between, and then there are the well seasoned ones. If that isn't enough to consider? The weather has done a number on growing by individual farmers and homesteaders, too. It is a good thing we weren't relying on having our fruit from our orchard to get us through the Winter... Out of 21 fruit trees, 19 are mature fruit bearing, and we usually get way more fruit than we can consume (apples, pears, cherries, plums, prune, peach). Last year, our Liberty Apples (2) bore the best (even though they are smaller trees), then the King Apple. The rest bore a few apples per tree, if any. Only one of our (4) pear trees bore, our Bartlett Pear. With a greenhouse, it helped, and we did grow plenty of vegetables. What made the difference for us was my ridiculously diverse planting method.

Not everyone has a milk cow (we don't), their own chickens (we do), sheep (we don't), goats (we don't), rabbits (we do), and the list goes on. Also, folks have different size properties which makes a difference, too (some aren't on property, but living a homesteading type lifestyle). I know some who rely on community gardening.

Regardless that our hard work paid off, despite our dismal orchard results, I am not laughing at others... Circumstances are different for everyone here.

True. But it also helps to reaffirm my choice to do this. I got some criticism and some odd comments and looks from friends and family when I decided to quit my old life and 'homestead/farm". Maybe its wrong, but it does make me feel good to know that I might have made the right choice ECONOMICALLY.

Let's face it, most people aren't seeing their paychecks go up (if they have one at all) but the cost of living is, and they are totally at the mercy of whatever happens. It gives me a sense of control to know that I am not totally at the mercy of market whims, whether real or manufactured.

Deacon Mike · #80 01/19/11, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 7thswan

ya, good ol factcheck , guess you don't know to much about them eather. There Is a reason you haven't discussed this in Politics.

Oh, those facts are so hard to deal with when they don't agree with Beck