Food shortages could bring riots to the US, FOX NEWS 13JAN11

Any news organization worth its salt should be above sensationalist, fear mongering so-called reporting. There used to be a difference between the networks and the national enquirer. Now, not so much. Perfect example tonight, it's gonna snow tomorrow and all the local stations are carrying on like the world might end. It's the middle of January in the midwest, and it's gonna snow? Gee, that isn't exactly news, now is it????

I don't think it can even be argued at this point that food prices, AT LEAST, are going up(or arguably inflation is making your dollars worth less commodities).

So if you plan to eat for the next five years..... if prices increase only 10% and you INVEST xxx$'s of your income in food storage........you will see a return of at least 10%. Many smart investors are betting that the prices will double.

Everywhere I shop prices have increase this quarter. Of course, if the Doomer's are right and TSHTF.... ..... hey....you'll look like a genius to all your friends.(Then you'll probably look like a target of course).

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IMO the people are more sheep than ever,I dont think todays generation is capable of standing up and being counted on anything.

No riots,more video games.

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A simple Google search says that's not true

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Ah the good old days of the 1970s. My mother had the biggest garden in our subdivision , we went rabbit and squrrel hunting, had a couple steers and a few hogs on the mountain south of here at my fathers 30s era foster aunt and uncle's place where we went for Sunday dinner and got eggs , milk and butter, we kept 100 gallons of extra gas stored because we were on even /odd tag number rationing days and my father taught me how to make homemade wine and beer.

Then came the 80s and the markets improved and my father unloadedthe two acre place in town for 12 acres, a barn and a doublewide here by the mountain.

30 years later my mother still has the farm and I got this little piece two miles away and just as my father did it in the 70s no mortgages on either place. Even when times are hard, life is good.

Now that I think about it I even had a PC in 1978. A Radio Shack TRaSh-80 with rs-232 expansion interface and ran BASIC, but a PC all the same. Acouple years later I even had a modem for it that the phone reciever plugged into so I could connect to a friends trash 80 across town

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Had my DH not been permanently disabled in a tragic accident in 1995, he would still be divorced, but wouldn't have had to sell the 3-story log home he built himself (logged and peeled the logs, even built the log boom...). As it was, after that accident, the beautiful log home, on 5 acres with a view of a mountain, was sold for far less than it was worth (divorce). I had to sell my house when I was divorced and was financially ruined. We married 7 years ago, 2nd marriages for us both. It would be great if DH and I, who are both conservative, didn't have a mortgage but that isn't our reality.

On reducing costs? Large garden producing more than we eat (plenty to put up), a fruit orchard of now 21 trees with 19 of them bearing fruit, and we hunt, fish, dig clams, harvest oysters, go crabbing, etc... We try to limit our drives to town, don't watch tv, don't go out to eat, etc... Neither of us drink or smoke cigarettes, so that keeps costs down. Our wood stove heats our home, our hot water, and DH built a drying rack to dry our clothes on. He worked hard to get us enough firewood for this Winter, and is already working on next year's firewood. I agree prepping is critical right now with rising food prices! That is a way of life for us, anyway, just need to ramp it up.

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First, I don't think we are saying the same thing. You stated that the impact of food and energy inflation is excluded from SS COLAs. I stated that you were incorrect. So I fail to see how we agree.

And I don't see pointing out you are incorrect as hostility, it's just the truth.

If you want to argue that the CPI-W is a poor metric, that's a different discussion.

When you state that various programs use the "Core" number that excludes food and energy, you are also incorrect.

As geo was kind enough to post on page 1 of this thread.

Thanks geo. I added highlights to what I consider the most pertinent points.

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Butz was the Nixon administration, Butz envisioned the USA planting fencerow to fencerow, big ag, produce a lot of food in this country. As this was ramping up to push farmers into debt and bigger & more; we had a bit of an ecconomic issue in the USA creating big inflation, and there was a global wheat shortage. So Nixon embargoed wheat sales, to keep food cheaper in the USA. It was a double edge whammy on USA farmers - pushed into producing more and have more debt, then just as good on-farm prices hit, they took away our markets. Grain prices fell the limit for 3 straight days, couldn't find a buyer to sell to.


The world was just getting over what Nixon/Butz did to USA farming, when Jimmy Carter did a grain & sports embargo to 'teach USSSR a lesson'.

This is what really put the rest of the world on alert that the USA will use food as a weapon when we do such a thing (grain embargo) twice in a short time, and kicked USA farmers back into the middle ages. No one bought from the USA until South America ran out of grain...


Note that unlike others, I am picking on a far right & far left politician for the same action. So we can take the partisan political junk somewhere else.

Making knee-jerk reactions to ecconomic issues will have long, long consequences. Has in the past, will in the future. Both parties do it.

Should soybeans hit $20, corn hit $10, it's all just part of the plan to keep plenty of food on the table in 2013 and beyond...... Mess with that, and you go hungry in a few years, or you have decades and decades of poor farmers and $$$$ govt farm programs....

--->Paul

You own quote shows it is true. To exclude it from the "Core" number, it must be included in the CPI-U and the CPI-W.

You might want to reread geo's post #14 on page 1 of this thread.

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I have no idea what you're challenging me to do with your foot stomping post and question to me? I mentioned no news organization whatsoever. My post wasn't political in any way.

I merely offered up an observation that some people are reacting in many of the ways they did in the past.

Paul, this was when we moved from primarily row cropping to beef cattle. In retrospect it was one of the best moves my father ever made. We actually added several acres of crop ground (at a very low price), put them under pasture, and came out the other side in much better shape than many of our neighbors.

There won't be any shortage of food. What there may be is shortages of the foods that people prefer to eat.

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I stand corrected, thanks Paul. My memory is getting older and worse than I thought. I do remember the events of '79 because thats when I had a heart attack and missed the trip with the tractors to D.C.. Then I slowed down my farming operation. I see $14 beans and wonder why I sold mine 2 months ago. You are also correct in that decision today affect the grain market a year or two from now,,,not today. Those who want the govt. out of farming had best hope this means out of the overseas markets and foreign aid as well.

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I think Fox is fear mongering

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I apologize for the "specious." What I meant to convey is that it's really all just beside the point; I don't trust any major "news" agency to give unbiased reports on what's happening in the world.

It just grinds my gears when folks throw accusations at one side without acknowledging that the "other side" is hardly beyond circumspection.

I am having a good day, despite this bitterly cold weather. At least the sun is shining, and that keeps my SolarPony! (patent pending) batteries charged.

Hope you're enjoying yourself on your slice of this planet, and that we'll one day share a cuppa and a chat.

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Actually, I think ALL "news" outlets are in it for... the MONEY!

"If it bleeds, it leads" - and it sells advertising spots. Same for network "news" (which is, one must admit, supported and approved by whomever is currently holding the reins).

It's hard to find actual hard news, and takes a lot of digging. Most folks don't have the time to do that sort of research, so it behooves us all to cast a jaundiced eye on anyone who has something to benefit by giving information a particular slant.

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I heard our senator talking about more media mergers in the works. He's fighting to keep it from happening because it will put control of the news in the hands of just 4 corporations. That means the advertisers will have even more control of the news that affects their product sales.

While people argue about government control of our lives Corporate World is quietly tightening the noose.

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Inflations never been a problem, as long as you don't eat, or use any energy (drive, warm/cool your home, take baths/showers, you know... stuff you use every day). Doh!

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I wonder if there are any organizations, individuals, corporations, whatever, that aren't 'in it' (whatever "it" may be) for the money. Anyone anywhere that isn't "in it" for the money, already has "the money" (read: rich).

In this country, if you don't make money, you go broke, and whatever you were doing you don't do anymore. That is, unless that anti-capitalist force, the government, is 'supporting the cause' (paid for, of course, by the contingent of Americans that "do" have to work "for" money...).

I prefer market driven solutions... if there is a need, someone will fill it... and if the market is good, they'll make money, and succeed. If they try to fill a void that doesn't exist, they go broke. You reward good deeds, and punish bad ones. You don't reward bad deeds.

No one watches a network, it goes down... if everyone watches it, they get rich, and provide even more of whatever the public is clamoring for.

.....what has this got to do with food shortages... and while we're at it, what are you folks that haven't started stocking food doing in those hand baskets, and why is it getting 'hotter and hotter'?

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No it is so they can lie and pretend inflation is not what it is.. and that will allow them to extend their games...

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You made some good points... I just want to know why the public continues to clamor for more dumbed down programming. Maybe the general public isn't smart enought to be able to choose wisely.

I was home on Monday and my daughter turned on the livingroom tv. As she struggled to find something to watch on cable, she landed on The Real Housewives of Atlanta. She stayed there for a few minutes while we blinked in disbelief. It truly was a trainwreck. She flipped again and found something else equally inane. When she turned it off she said, 'I somehow feel dumber just by having turned the tv on.' She went into her room to find a book.

Later that evening, hubby turned from watching ESPN and found reality show about people who repossess cars for a living. Another trainwreck of uneducated, foul-mouthed people who become belligerent and throw things when they come to retrieve their vehicles. He said that we should cancel our cable subscription once the superbowl was over. Of course he then remembered that the new season of Treme on HBO will be starting again and he does enjoy that immensely.

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