Food shortages could bring riots to the US, FOX NEWS 13JAN11

Really? And do you have facts to back up your statement?

Have you ever even watched Fox News? Seriously, have you seen anything more than the occasional sound bite?

And what about the govt approved "news" sources? Are you absolutely sure that they are presenting unbiased stories?

C'mon. It's a sad thing when people buy into the rhetoric, and then spew it vindictively. You're better than that. Don't add to the problem. Become part of the solution.

Start by doing your homework.

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Food and energy are excluded from figuring the CPI because of their volatility and COLAs for government retirements (including military) and Social Security are tied to the CPI.

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Pony, thank you for the complement. Will you be insulted if I ask you where are the facts to support your POV? And it IS ONLY a point of view... That will be true of anything you or I say in this forum.

I dsitinctly remember that during the last presidential election FOX did get caught using highly questionable and "interprative" factoids. When "cornered" the somewhat reluctantly admitted two things:

a. that they were actually an entertainment company and NOT really a news organ AND

b. that they couldn't be held responsible for what their viewing audience believed.

Unfortunately, that was several years ago and I do not remember the exact circumstances, but I do remember the FOx rep saying that FOX news was much more like the "Jon Stewart" show in actuality, except on 24/7 instead of an hour every day...

So we can avoid this thread getting moved over to <shudder> GC, I'll just tell you that no, if I made a statement such as yours, I would not be insulted if you asked me for facts, as I'm sure you weren't insulted that I called you on making specious statements that were not germane to the topic at hand.

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Indeed.
FOX NEWS VIEWERS MISINFORMED ON KEY ISSUES
It brings to mind when Fox News was supposed to report on an important issue (I won't mention what it was, it would spark too much controversy), but reported on the other side knowing it was false. The lawyers blatantly stated that there was no law in place to prevent Fox News from lying.

Don't forget that hungry people don't sit still and starve. When large areas of the globe run short on food those people will have no other choice but to start moving towards better conditions.

The military is already planning on dealing with massive immigration by environmental refugees.

It's only a matter of time if we don't stabilize our population and do it quick.

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The world is different now than in the '70's. I'm not so sure people are going to just take it... Especially since so many are out of work. There just may be a breaking point.

Food shortages won't bring riots. Food prices rising to the point that people have to choose between food, and beer and cigarettes, will bring riots.

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Paul, you are correct except wasn't it Jimmy Carter president and Earl Butz was sec of ag. And wasn't that when the American Ag Movement protests occured and the tractors went to D.C.? The older I get the worse my memory is. Think the tractorcade protests were in '79.

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Pony, I agree, The word specious could hurt my feelings but I'll let it go. Let me say however, I have read many of your posts over time and thought you warm, compassionate, on many subjects. I look forward to seeing that little guy on the horse.

I am not insulted at all by your disagreement. Have a good un'!

A nice slanted view, about FOX~! Why did I even read past those that posted like that, just to slam Fox?

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Prices are going up but there aren't really food shortages or starvation. Far from it. In fact, compared with prices of the 1970's, '80s and even before that food is very cheap today. Farmers aren't making much and people are paying much less of their income towards food. The statistics I've read are that people now spend about 9% of their income on food while they used to spend 28% of their income on food. Not only that but what they buy has been processed more and is eating out more. If they prepared their own food the cost would go down even further.

Yes, energy prices and food prices have gone up but so has what people earn. I'm not talking the short term but over the last 30 years.

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If I remember reading it right, this was also the era that Mother Earth News magazine was born. Since then the magazine has had several copy cats and some very good ones too!

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It is interesting how the movement that started in the 70's due to shortages is coming back again. Hopefully it will stick this time! And it is very nice to know that we can provide all we need to keep from starving right here at home!

This is flat out incorrect. Social Security COLAs went up 5.8% in 2009 due specifically due to energy price spikes in the 3rd quarter of 2008.

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Fox and MSNBC are both on the out side edge. Some say fox is such balanced, informative news, others say likewise of MSNBC, I have watched both and gladly go elsewhere, Fox I have found completely insulting and guilty of worthless propaganda crap, like that youtube video. Did you know that the Jews are going to take over our national banking system and rein slave the Shvartze, get over the crap and fear. Lets just treat our neighbors, near and far well and like partners, we've all heard the tail of the poor soles in Hell with food and spoons to long to feed them selves and the fortunate soles in heaven who also had food and spoons to long to feed them selves but learned to feed each other. Let's not plan for failure but a good life together, what ever, ---- It. Sure there are plenty of people out there against us as a country and fellows in the free world and those criminals that might assault us in our homes, but food and fuel prices have gone ^ and v for ever; just guessing here but it might be 95% of the planet, will partner up with us to solve common problems. We stay well provisioned and well armed but stay light in spirit because, there is nothing to fear and hate more than fear and hatred it's self!

I am not trying to argue with you and dont dispute they went up. The CPI used by the BLS for Social Security is the wage earners and clerical workers CPI (CPI-W) which hardly reflects the typical retiree and its also doesnt reflect the impact of taxes on goods and services. Many governmental programs use the CPI index that excludes energy and food prices (due to their volatility) which impacts funding for these programs which is what the poster was talking about (at least what I took from it). Go to the BLS website and if you look the CPI including food and energy went up significantly more than the CPI that excludes food and energy...its a numbers game and the index used is often manipulated for political purposes. I think we are saying the same thing so why the hostility? Do you actually have anything to add to the discussion?

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Up and until the world (as we know it) comes to an end, if you have money, you'll have food. When it comes to an end (and, that will be obvious, when the trucks stop rolling, the grocery stores will be bare, the entitlement class will be rioting, on foot (and probably won't have too many molotov cocktails, as the fuel for them will be precious), it'll be too late to worry about getting any food.

Whine, complain, wring your hands, but if you don't do something with this information, what's the point? Do something about it. Take out a food insurance policy.... as long as you breathe, every day you live, your going to want to eat. A good food insurance policy has zero downside... your going to eat the 'premiums' you pay in.

There'll be no rioting on my homestead. Will there be at yours? [Cue the mournful music that's played (at least where I was raised) at the end of church services... wanting sinners to come down and get saved...]

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Are you sure? My DH told me that it wasn't. Guess I need to do some research now. I had just assumed that was why SS had not been getting a cost of living increase.

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Please take it to GC.

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