Trespassers on new property

I'm tall and fat so no worries

I didn't mean to be snarkey
me and the ol lady "had a discussion" so I'm in the Maker's Marky!

At the very least a game camera can answer your questions- that way you'll know what's going on without having to ruffle any local feathers. Aim it at the house and it'll also provide evidence if any is ever needed. Get your information first, then make any decisions that you feel need making.

And y'all need to understand that some people like their privacy and could care less if you like them or not. You ever go "go back there' uninvited on my property you'd better be wearing kevlar underwear.

__________________
Apocalyptic and Survival Fiction - Readers and writers welcome

Snobbish land owners? They purchased the land, pay the taxes and want to do with their land as they like and that makes them snobbish or not good neighbors? Their desired use of the land produces no noise, pollution or other daily aggravations other than they don't want to share their land with just anyone.

With that reasoning I suppose you wouldn't mind if someone decided they had a better use for your land than you did and used it whenever and however they pleased. Bet if that happened you would be on here in a heartbeat complaining about it.

How about telling it like it really is - you are nothing but a criminal that thinks they can do whatever they want, whenever they want with something that doesn't belong to them.

__________________
Wags Ranch Nigerians


"The Constitution says to promote the general welfare, not to provide welfare!" ~ Lt. Col Allen West

There's just no polite way of saying how wrong you really are...but good to see the caliber of person you are...

The responses from a few of the people (one in particular) surprise me. I thought that country folk were supposed to be more respectful. While I don't own any property other than where I'm living, I'd like to some day. It would be for a weekend getaway every now and then, but mostly hunting. I wouldn't be there much except for hunting season. So even though I wouldn't be there much, doesn't mean I want other people there. I'd want to keep it as undisturbed as possible so that there will be more and better quality game in the area. Just my .02

If your talking about me, maybe you should read all the words I wrote.

We don't live in a world where everyone does everything that's right all the time... I think that's Fantasy World, and it's in a different solar system. We live in Reality World. In this world, some people do some things that are right some of the time... but there's always going to be some people that do things wrong some or all of the time.

If you live in the city, where you have around the clock police patrols and protection (I hear that cities are the safest places on the planets to live) for your property, that's great... don't think that same protection exists out in the sticks. If we're lucky in our county, there 'might' be one deputy on duty for the night shift, and if you really really really need him (they do have some 'hers', but they stick close to town patrols, during daytime) they might get out to you in an hour.

There simply isn't enough brain or man power available for rural counties to know each and every landowner, and patrol all of it, around the clock. [Currently, my place is off limits to cars... 4wd only. Sheriff only has one truck, rest are cars... trucks don't chase down cars that great].

Each and every county (and parish) in the country has unsavory folks. Lot of em 'need killin'. Until they meet their maker, if you have unsecured stuff or land, they'll be eyeing it, "borrowing it" [aka> stealing], or using the land for nefarious purposes.

If you believe otherwise, maybe you should visit Realityville. The very essence of the OP was someone was doing her wrong. "I" was trying to gently educate her, and anyone else that has dreams of peace and harmony out in the countryside, that same villains that infest the cities, also infest the countryside.

If I ever get kicked in the head by a mule, and decided to live in the city, I'd hope someone would burst my bubble, if I planned on doing something 'silly' in the city...

btw... I know all of my immediate neighbors, on a first name basis. I know the second tier, and third tier neighbors land also, with permissions for visiting/hunting/timber salvage. I daresay I know 98% of the neighbors within a five mile radius, and 50% out to 8 miles. Those I don't "know", know me, either through business/personal relationships, or thru my father, or grandfathers, who knew probably together 95% of the population of my county.

If I see a dead tree that looks good, I call, and ask, and always have been told yes, just don't mess up the road... and clean up afterwards. If I need anything, I ask... if they need something, they ask... it's a pretty good system. Pretty much everyone, except the entitlementist thugs, who demand their rights (and supplement them with 'borrowing' from the working class folks) know they can depend on their neighbors for anything.

Move into this neighborhood, and scoff at folks wanting to be nice, and getting to know about you and your family... don't be surprised if we don't turn in folks for coming in and out of your place when your gone... Hey!!! we wanted to know you... you didn't want to deal with us... we figgered them strange folks on your doorstep were friends of yours.

Oh well, off to work on some wiring and insulation for the new outbuilding.

__________________
Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. Seneca
Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival. W. Edwards Deming

I don't think you were the person being referred to Texican. And you proved it by saying you ask FIRST, you don't expect that you should be able to access and take.

There are always criminally minded people no matter where you live, but just because they exist and they believe anything they want should be theirs for the taking doesn't mean its right. Those sorts need to become Darwin Award winners.

__________________
Wags Ranch Nigerians


"The Constitution says to promote the general welfare, not to provide welfare!" ~ Lt. Col Allen West

I've lived way out in the woods, and yes, we hunted on our neighbor's land WITH PERMISSION. You could leave anything you wanted to leave sitting out in the open and nobody would take it.

Driving up to a vacant house and loading up their stuff would have been a really good way to get yourself shot. Theft meets with disapproval in this area of the country.

And no, strangers could not come in, cut fences, wander all over, and hunt or tear up the ground with ATVs or snow mobiles. They'd be run off right quick. For one thing, with the neighbors, you know that they know how to handle a gun. Who knows about some stranger from town that thinks that just because he can see something, it is automatically his.

That goes for you, too, Vern. Just because you can see it doesn't make it yours to do with as you please. You cut down trees on someone else's property without permission, you are nothing but a common thief.

Easy enough.. if YOU don't pay the taxes.. stay OFF unless otherwise invited. I sure wish you the best. I'm sure it will all be alright once you get settled in and can get to know each other.

__________________
A closed mouth gathers no foot.

Thanks everyone! I really do think that it will be ok once we get moved in and can meet everyone. We really are nice people who like to help other people out whenever we can. We get along well with all of our current neighbors within a mile or so radius of us. Guess it just took us by surprise to have someone be sort of "brazen" like that. We have hunted mushrooms in the area and my husband hunts deer and always asked permission before just wandering onto somebody's property. We were both brought up that it was the polite and respectable thing to do.

Texican, your neighborhood sounds alot like what I grew up in. My folks and the neighbors down the road decided to start having a barnyard bash once a year. All the neighbors in a 2 square mile radius were invited for a huge potluck and homemade ice cream. The adults visited, the kids played or we sat and listened to stories about the "old days" from the elderly that came. Wow, what fantastic memories!

__________________
S-J Farms
http://s-jfarms.com

No Texican, you're not who I was referring to. You're simply stating the facts that it happens, not endorsing it.

So if you meet someone, do you introduce yourself? Or do you get this attitude of "get out of my face"?

When I meet someone I introduce myself, the problem is the same in land ownership, introduce yourself, make your self known and love thy neighbor as thyself.

Then your neighbors become your friends and mutually can watch the land. But if you don't wish to be known(posting up signs, but not giving any contact information) you are just giving yourself a preconceived Ideal of a land snob.

A land snob is someone that buys a piece of land for a ridiculous amount of money, thinks He owns it with a deed, tags it up with "no owner info warning signs", lets the local Coyote hunters know that if their dogs go on that land, they dead, but only visits it three times a year, and somehow he feel entitled to it in a undeveloped natural state that is immunized from the locals.

It simply does not happen, and I am being realistic. Texan's quote is so true.

Sometimes I, as many before me wander out in "the woods" in the bottom lands and on land that the owner I know not, to study the ancient Mississippian culture that flourished here to know nature and the ways of old. It really would be impossible to get permission from every land owner which properties I tredeth, as I know NOT where I go, so I keeps some basic rules.

I find this reasonable and respectful of all parties involved, but there are people in this thread that do not see it as such, I am reading "Thief!" and baseless actuations about "cutting wood", obviously we got some Irrational Land owners and they can't *stand* someone with an opposing view, pity as I don't even own a chain saw. So no I won't be cutting wood on "your land". I am not even supporting those that do. There are some, even in this thread that thinks that everyone that trespasses is a thief, robber, a child molester, and a New World Order Covert operative.

Anyone remember Julia "Butterfly" Hill, did she do the right thing living in that tree? (it WAS on private property, tisk tisk) She was a really bad person, how dare she trespass to get the message out about disappearing old growth forest! How dare she civilly disobeyed and got the nation talking about this issue. No it was not a bad thing, I guess what I'm saying is land deed holders are not the supreme beings of their land.

“To him, who in love of nature, holds communion with her visible forms, she speaks a various language.”

[a big time uber EDIT:]

__________________

I see a very dark cloud on America's horizon,
and that cloud is coming from Rome.
- Abraham Lincoln

Gee, Vern, I had neighbors just like you when I lived in the city. I owned the only unfenced 1/16" acre of green in the neighborhood which apparently, to the ignorant dog owners who hadn't a clue what curbing means, represented a convenient manure depository. One day I happened to have a video camera in hand when a habitual "dumper" and her owner made a deposit so I pointed it in their direction. I had no opportunity to introduce myself before she told me to get out of her face. On my property. Where I lived. Hmmmm....

Did you *even* read what I just previously wrote? What you are suggesting is absurd! This thread is exhibiting such Bigotry.

In the city it is totally different set of rules! How did you deal with this situation?

__________________

I see a very dark cloud on America's horizon,
and that cloud is coming from Rome.
- Abraham Lincoln

Yes, I read it and tried to make some sense of your words. What I gather is that apparently you don't believe that "stupid people who overpay for a parcel and don't live on it" have a right to own land you've always used for your benefit. If you've lived there all of your life, you should know where the boundaries are; if you were a good neighbor, you would respect them. (An occasional trespass for reasonable purposes is forgivable but using theirs as yours is outrageous.)

Oh, I see you've edited. How did I deal with it? I laughed at her; she cussed at me. I never saw her again but the city passed a "scoop your poop" ordinance soon thereafter. Did I appreciate the law? Sure. But it shouldn't have been necessary--my lawn was mine not theirs to trash--good neighbors would never have needed legislation to understand that.

If we find you wandering around on our posted property you are certainly not going to get a polite introduction. You are going to get introduced to the sheriffs deputy. And lest you start spewing that garbage about city folks moving to the country, my wifes family has been farming in this area since it was the Western Reserve.

You have this strange notion that folks owe you, a tresspasser any sort of consideration whatsoever. You are disrespecting the owner of the property by ignoring their stated intent that you stay off their land and then expect them to treat you with respect? Cowpucky!

You have a stange notion of being neighborly. A neighbor asks, they don't take. You aren't a neighbor, you are just someone who lives down the road and is an abuser.

What difference does it make what a personpaid for their land? The implication you make is that if the person got a bargain you would respect their posted land? What difference does it make whether they visit 3 times or 30?

The difference is that Texican is saying here is what some people do. You are saying "I do it".

And you therefore accept the risk that the landowner your chose not to even ask will decide to take action against you. It may be shoving a shotgun in your face (and possibly SSS) or it might be calling the sheriff. You have no cause for complaint when this occurs. It is a risk you have chosen to accept.

Your opinion of what is reasonable is of no consequence in the circumstances described. By your defination I find it just as reasonable to beat your head in with a club if I find you on my property. By what right would you complain that my opinion is unreasonable? Your own stated position is that it is all about what you can get away with. You are a thief simply by your presence. You steal my privacy on my own property and demand that I accept your imposition on me and my family.

If she tried that on my property she would come down with the tree if it was a tree I intended to take down. She is certainly entitled to engage in civil disobedience.... as long as she is willing to accept the consequence of her acts. Given your attitude towards landowners, I won't be surprised if some day someone posts about "Ole Vern and how he got shot going where he wasn't wanted".

Go commune on someone elses property. There are plenty of State parks and National Parks where yo can do so. Go commune on someones property that you have asked. One can enjoy nature without having to want to enjoy the presence of Vern.

Vern you're automatically calling the land owner snobs from the get go without even thinking about their side of the story. Maybe they hunt and want to keep certain trees on their land because that tree is the perfect place to setup a stand. Maybe they want the land as undisturbed as possible so that more wildlife will use it and feel more relaxed in it. Maybe they don't want the litter that often gets left behind. Maybe they don't want the land torn up from people trail riding (motorized). Maybe they don't want any drug operations being done on their land. I'd keep my land posted, but would also have my contact info there. I'd talk to the people living nextdoor and if they seemed like decent people offer them use of the land (since they probably already are anyway) and ask them to keep an eye on it for me. If people were decent enough to call me, I'd tell them the next time that I plan to be at the land and to meet with me then. I'll get an idea of what kind of person they are and probably end up giving them hunting/fishing/camping/whatever rights unless I already had several other people using it. In that case I'd tell them that up front on the phone and tell them to give me a call next year if they were still interested. Its about respect and it goes both ways.

ETA: I'm not referring to people who have a legitimate purpose for briefing being on my land. Such as looking for a dog, recovering a game animal, etc.

Vern is referring to my comment about him in another post. You are a thief Vern. You are stealing the usage of MY land. If you want to travel across my land then either come ask me or better yet, buy your own piece of land. I don't care what your motivations are, you step on my land without permission and you're liable to get buried in the back 40. There is simply no call for it.

YOU have no right to use MY land, period.

Bob

I don't want people on my land without my permission. Privacy is one reason. Another is liability. Now I don't think if you do stupid on my land that I'm responsible but the courts seem to disagree with me. So if I don't know you or I don't like you (i.e. think you will do stupid) then stay away until you have the balls to introduce yourself. My land my rules.