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01/02/11, 02:33 PM
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Featherbottoms, to me the Willamette Valley is Eden, yet I hear Northern Idaho is nice too...~lol~... I welcome likeminded folks to move to Oregon, but please don't try to remake this place, it's perfect as it is...~lol~...
SFM in KY, Third time the charm...that's how many times it took me to stay awake during Disney's Fantasia movie ...~lol~...
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01/02/11, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by marinemomtatt
SFM in KY, Third time the charm...that's how many times it took me to stay awake during Disney's Fantasia movie ...~lol~...
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Had to snicker at this ... I saw it for the first time when I was 12 (I think, maybe a year younger) and LOVED it. It was one of the first VHS movies I bought when it was available (obviously, when I was an adult) and I still loved it ...
Hopefully I get through the second part of the Stirling series the third time I try.
As as to the Willamette Valley being an 'attraction' to people in the event of a disaster, it's odd what you think of when reading this type of book. While I absolutely love Montana and Wyoming and certainly depending on what "type" of disaster it was ... in some cases I would relocate to KY or TN somewhere although I don't particularly 'like' the climate or geology. However, it would be easier to survive if you had to raise all of your own food and there were no modern conveniences available. Enough rainfall to not have to depend on irrigation, relatively short winters, winter temperatures not as extreme, much longer growing season, etc.
If I had never lived here, it would not have been something that would have occurred to me. Would I have considered it just from reading a book? not sure.
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01/02/11, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by watcher
I seem to remember they were giving the kid many times the necessary insulin because it has lost its potency due to the lack of refrigeration.
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Probably right... it's been a while.
A sub-plot of the book is, anyone that requires medicine to live, is going to die, when the manufacturing/distribution system fails. More chronic conditions will go first, and things will get worse when the less chronic slowly go into failure.... that is, if they or their support community/family has the means of feeding them, and raising more food.
A refrigerator (rv fridge, running off of gas, or a Sibir, or other solar/ng fridge) stocked full of insulin would allow someone to live exactly that many days, if they also had the food to back it up.
I thought I was prepping before I read the book... found a 'higher gear' after reading it.
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01/02/11, 05:34 PM
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I thought I was prepping before I read the book... found a 'higher gear' after reading it.
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Me too. I just finished it a few weeks ago. Lots of new things happening here now.
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01/02/11, 06:41 PM
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No, they didn't have a mechanic to get the older cars running. The older cars ran just fine.
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01/02/11, 06:59 PM
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Very true. And if I'm not mistaken, it's essentially how a gas refrigerator works. However, it has to be something someone has experience with even if just a passing reference... "Ya know what I saw once..." type of a thing.
And most people just don't. 
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Well there you go. Auto AC are well known and it would not be difficult to take one and make a refrigeration unit.
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01/02/11, 07:01 PM
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No, they didn't have a mechanic to get the older cars running. The older cars ran just fine.
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Been a while but IIRC the reason there were so many old cars running was because one mechanic in town who had a thing for older cars. I might be blurring two books.
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01/02/11, 08:09 PM
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Been a while but IIRC the reason there were so many old cars running was because one mechanic in town who had a thing for older cars. I might be blurring two books.
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Yeah it was a hippy kind of guy who had a thing for old VW's
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01/02/11, 08:54 PM
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The protagonist's MIL's car ran just fine out of the garage. No tinkering required.
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01/02/11, 09:33 PM
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The protagonist's MIL's car ran just fine out of the garage. No tinkering required.
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Again relying on my memory her car was an Edsel and it was running before the EMP.
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01/03/11, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SFM in KY
Have not read that one but will have to see if I can get it through the library. There is a trilogy by S. M Stirling (starting with Dies The Fire) about a similar situation ... EMP burst only "not exactly" ... something else that also affects explosives, fuel combustion, etc. so that people are pitched back into the pre-industrial age ... horse power, wind power and pre-gunpowder weapons.
Excellent writing and very consistent as well as realistic.
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My kids have done some of the stuff in the "Dies The Fire" series & they acually worked, like making swords out of leaf springs from a car.
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