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12/22/10, 04:08 PM
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Were those 'advances' made necessary by our food supply? In other words, maybe if we had a cleaner food supply, there wouldn't be such need for all the new techniques - because we wouldn't have the problems.
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Of course not
They weren't "necessary" at all
We could have stuck with simple diagnostic equipment and never improved anything.
But now we DO have CAT scans and MRI's that find diseases earlier and make it easier to cure them, so naturally some treatments cost more than they did 50 years ago.
Cost comparisons are meaningless
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"Just because there are more "additives" doesn't mean they are harmful..." Are you kidding me?
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No, I'm not kidding.
Most of the "additives are natural organic products that cause no harm at all
Many of the "harnful"" ones have no effect in the minute amounts found in food, and only cause problems when given in massive doses to lab rats.
If food were as "poison" as some seem to think, MILLIONS would be dead or dying, whne reality is the majority of people have no ill effects at all
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No, I'm not kidding.
Most of the "additives are natural organic products that cause no harm at all
Many of the "harnful"" ones have no effect in the minute amounts found in food, and only cause problems when given in massive doses to lab rats.
If food were as "poison" as some seem to think, MILLIONS would be dead or dying, whne reality is the majority of people have no ill effects at all
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What we really need in this country is a hardier breed of lab rat!!
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12/22/10, 06:37 PM
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What we really need in this country is a hardier breed of lab rat!!
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Maybe Monsanto can build us some?
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12/22/10, 09:40 PM
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Of course not
They weren't "necessary" at all
We could have stuck with simple diagnostic equipment and never improved anything.
But now we DO have CAT scans and MRI's that find diseases earlier and make it easier to cure them, so naturally some treatments cost more than they did 50 years ago.
Cost comparisons are meaningless
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Techniques and medical advances are made, like any other advancement, because there is a need and because it is financially feasible. If those CAT scans, MRI's, etc., were not needed and in a large way, they would never have been developed.
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12/22/10, 10:25 PM
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With this discussion, we are far away from the OP. Speaking about CT scans; no MD worth his salt will risk an abdominal pain walking into an ED without a CT scan dx. As crazy as it sounds, the expensive procedure it's mainly done to prevent liability of a misdiagnosed appendicitis. In school, they are thought the skills of diagnosing one without an expensive procedure (CT) but since they have the scanner, they are somehow forgotten. Hard not to do it if they want to keep that license...
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12/22/10, 10:59 PM
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These days certainly they may use it because of liability reasons, although, I'm not really convinced that the reason. Think about it, a doctor can use the knowledge and experience he should have an diagnose appendicitis, and charge an office visit - or he can order a CAT scan - and claim he is frightened of lawsuits - and charge much more.
New testing procedures do cost more - but to try to say the increase cost in healthcare is simply due to new procedures and not to more incidences of disease is simply not true.
Yes, we are off topic - no one yet has explained why they are spraying msg on plants.
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12/22/10, 11:34 PM
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Techniques and medical advances are made, like any other advancement, because there is a need and because it is financially feasible. If those CAT scans, MRI's, etc., were not needed and in a large way, they would never have been developed.
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While that may be true, trying to blame the need on food is not logical at all
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12/22/10, 11:36 PM
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no one yet has explained why they are spraying msg on plants
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That was explained in the OP.
It's fertilizer
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Okay, I admit that I did not read the entire article linked to the OP, but it appears that, as Bearfootfarm points out, the msg is nothing more than fertilizer. This gave me a flashback to a Horticulture class back in the mid-1970s where the lecturer went off on the foolishness of Organic Farming. He went into a near-rant on how "plants don't care" about the source of nutrients, the roots only uptake nutrients in an inorganic form whether from compost or synthetic fertilizers, and those silly organic gardeners are ignorant...etc etc. As I sat fuming and speechless, a voice from the back of the class (bless him!) gave a simple, basic lesson in Organic methods, interconnected soil life, long-term fertility, etc. Organic gardeners are not ignorant of the facts.
Judging from some of the comments here, maybe that long-ago lecturer was right. sigh.
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12/23/10, 07:13 PM
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While that may be true, trying to blame the need on food is not logical at all
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Something is causing it.
Food is the one thing so many have in common - I think it is most logical to believe it's food - and certainly a logical reason to take a good look at food - how it's produced, how it's processed, and what is added to it.
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