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11/23/10, 12:25 PM
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I know this isn't the weapons discussion thread, but I would think you may have issues using hollow points from a pistol. I'm betting the expansion would happen too early and not get enough penetration to do the job. I carry hollow points for urban self defense, but in the woods I usually switch to full metal jacket / ball ammo. It's been my thinking that a bear or pig is tough enough to expand a hollow point and absorb the energy on the outside before doing any (or enough) internal damage to stop the threat.
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There are way too many variables to make a statement like that.
Distance, caliber, et al, would make a difference. I wouldn't use a hollow point .22, but my 9mm I wouldn't mind.
Home protection hollow points are available with plastic tips to prevent premature expansion.
I don't want to go looking for trouble with a bull. Sure, I go out armed, but prevention/avoidance is always best.
"She who turns and runs away, lives."
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11/23/10, 01:10 PM
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"She who turns and runs away, lives."
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A 454 Casull with hollow points no worry guaranteed . Look that gun up rock salt it it almost wood :smiley-laughing013:
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11/23/10, 01:15 PM
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That's the worst possible choice for HUNTING ammo, since it does the least damage.
Most handgun hollowpoints are designed to penetrate at least 14 inches.
PROPER bullet placement on a DANGEROUS bull is the brain cavity or spinal column, which is not that deep
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11/23/10, 01:27 PM
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The .44 magnum has killed every land animal on the planet.
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11/23/10, 01:37 PM
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A proddy bull can be dangerous.
When handling bulls, the most important thing is to leave yourself an escape, proddy or not, and don't get any closer than you have to be.
I've been under a pickup with a bull beating the sides in, I've been on horses that were tipped by bulls (every man for himself in those cases) and I've been in a milk barn when a bull wandered in to check it out, in which case, the rafters and stanchions were good hiding places for us.
You can't outrun a bull, you can't out muscle him, you just have to be smarter.
That being said, I always carry a gun and I would have no problem shooting a bull that came at me. I'm too old to run, too slow to hide and too young to die.
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11/23/10, 01:46 PM
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[QUOTE=Sawmill Jim;4766584]"She who turns and runs away, lives."
__________________ Or at least the hoof prints will be on their back at the viewing
I meant I would just as soon be aware of and avoid bulls (or other large animals).
I have no problem shooting one if it's charging, but I want to be in a position to get in a good shot. 
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11/23/10, 01:58 PM
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AI people...AI. Who needs the danger of a bull on your property or any neighbors? DEE
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11/23/10, 01:58 PM
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I called the owners. Owners wife says, it may not be thier bull. Which is untrue. She says it could be my elderly neighbors, who doesn't own a bull (and when she did it was a charolais) Other neighbor only has a red bull.
But anyway, you catch more flies with honey so... I just asked her to have her husband go check his stock and count them, then come see this one. It needs to go, she agreed with that. She says any of thiers that are dangerous go to the stockyards. Well...its a start. And they are still on my side. But we will be extra careful from now on, and armed. I think a 357 is the way to go : )
Oh and I told her if I was put in a dangerous situation, I would kill it.
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11/23/10, 01:58 PM
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AI people...AI. Who needs the danger of a bull on your property or any neighbors? DEE
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Yes! 
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11/23/10, 03:19 PM
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The .44 magnum has killed every land animal on the planet.
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Not yet i here there is still a Bull at large  ( Sorry couldn't resist  )
If no one claims it to the sale barn or freezer he would go 
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11/23/10, 03:48 PM
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AI people...AI. Who needs the danger of a bull on your property or any neighbors? DEE
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More people are injured or killed by cows than by bulls. I have my own bull that I raised here on my farm. Next one coming up will be the same. AI isn't always cost effective or practical depending on each persons situaton.
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I called the owners. Owners wife says, it may not be thier bull. Which is untrue. She says it could be my elderly neighbors, who doesn't own a bull (and when she did it was a charolais) Other neighbor only has a red bull.
But anyway, you catch more flies with honey so... I just asked her to have her husband go check his stock and count them, then come see this one. It needs to go, she agreed with that. She says any of thiers that are dangerous go to the stockyards. Well...its a start. And they are still on my side. But we will be extra careful from now on, and armed. I think a 357 is the way to go : )
Oh and I told her if I was put in a dangerous situation, I would kill it.
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This last sentence should help them decide to take the bull to the auction barn sooner rather than later.
Good for you for standing up for yourself 
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11/23/10, 04:24 PM
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11/23/10, 04:45 PM
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We always carry when we are out and about on the farm. Too many Yotes and the possibility of wild hogs to deal with. I have to admit that I never thought about the possibility of a bull visiting BaDland, but it could happen as I have seen many bulls free range breeding the Amish Homesteader's cattle around here. Fencing can only be trusted so far and only three parameters of our almost 30 acres are fenced with barbed wire.
Thanks for the warning. You've made me vow to be more aware of what's roaming around out there.
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Now us old folks need to sit and reminisce a little when i was younger i am sure some fathers looked at me like we are that bull :smiley-laughing013:
But that is another story 
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