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Old 11/15/10, 10:57 PM
 
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I know when I got medical insurance through the government here.... it is very hard to find doctors to accept it, and the dental coverage they have forget it... my daughter could get an appointment and get in, but she has a fear of dentist, and they refuse to work on her. My daughter is in need of dental care and can't get it.

When my daughter was a 1 1/2 she was hospitalized for a week, had MRI, and other major test.... you wouldn't want that bill of over a 100,000

She got pnemonia and was hospitalized.... for 3 days.... you wouldn't want to know what kind of bill that was...... 7000.00

I don't have health coverage and I make 14,400 dollars a year.....
Those are hard to pay....
Heaven forbid that I have a heart attack or get cancer or any other major medical expense.... I would lose everything I have



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Don't think for a second we don't pay for health insurance in Canada.

We pay dearly, through our taxes, which are stupidly higher then the taxes you pay in the US. Not only that, our health system sucks. My wife has spent a half hour every morning for the past week on the phone trying to get doctor's appointment for our young children. "Free" health care is great, except that you can't get an appointment, and so can't actually get the health care your taxes are paying for.

I'd move to the US in a second if I could.

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Old 11/15/10, 11:06 PM
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.... That is despite the fact that we probably have more natural resources then any other country on the planet and despite the fact that our dear American friends provide protection and security for those resources at no cost to us.
Hmm, interesting statement. I agree that Canada probably has more natural resources than any other country but I wasn't aware that our resources were at risk or that America has ever had to provide protection or security for Canadian resources. Could you please elaborate on that and explain what kind of protection was/is being provided to protect our "resources" and against what hazards?

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Old 11/15/10, 11:23 PM
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This is a short run down of the social assistance programs - some of them vary from province to province.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_welfare_in_Canada

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Thanks.

So they actually give them a monthly cash stipend.

At least recipients can buy toilet paper and soap, which can't be done with food stamps.
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Old 11/15/10, 11:58 PM
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Thanks.

So they actually give them a monthly cash stipend.

At least recipients can buy toilet paper and soap, which can't be done with food stamps.
Yes, recipients get a cheque on the 3rd Wednesday of the month. Everything a recipient needs has to be paid out of that cheque - rent, utilities, groceries and other household needs, clothing, car insurance and gas if they have a car, any other expenses they might have but not medical, that is already covered separately. There are time limits on how long most people can stay on social assistance unless they have some kind of permanent disability as the system is set up to get people off welfare as quickly as possible. Recipients cannot build up a savings account, only allowed to have a certain amount in the bank at any given time.

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Old 11/16/10, 02:54 PM
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If i were on welfare, I would use my food stamps to buy groceries at a store that gave out catalinas. Then I could buy non food iems with the catalinas and coupons. Just an idea, hope this doesn't confuse things, by putting this here. Please Go to Ladycats coupon forum link to find out what catalinas are.
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Old 11/16/10, 02:56 PM
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Yes, recipients get a cheque on the 3rd Wednesday of the month. Everything a recipient needs has to be paid out of that cheque - rent, utilities, groceries and other household needs, clothing, car insurance and gas if they have a car, any other expenses they might have but not medical, that is already covered separately. There are time limits on how long most people can stay on social assistance unless they have some kind of permanent disability as the system is set up to get people off welfare as quickly as possible. Recipients cannot build up a savings account, only allowed to have a certain amount in the bank at any given time.

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we need time limits here too.
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Old 11/16/10, 04:05 PM
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Ladycat,
If i were on welfare, I would use my food stamps to buy groceries at a store that gave out catalinas. Then I could buy non food iems with the catalinas and coupons. Just an idea, hope this doesn't confuse things, by putting this here. Please Go to Ladycats coupon forum link to find out what catalinas are.
At the coupon forums, there are a lot of people on food stamps. Before they started couponing, many of them could barely have enough food, and trying to get even the most essential non-food needs was a terrible struggle.

But once they got started couponing, they have an abundance of everything. They have no more struggle getting their soap, laundry detergent, shampoo, and all that other needed stuff.
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Old 11/16/10, 05:59 PM
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Hmmmm, as of Saturday at the local Wal-Mart:

Unleaded Regular Gasoline: $2.59
Sara Lee Bread, on sale: $1.25
5# bag of potatoes: $1.78
Hay: Coastal: $6.00 sq. bale
Alfalfa: $12.00 sq. bale
Most grains: $8-9.00 50#
Gallon of milk: $0.95
1lb of butter, unsalted: $1.29

Now realize that the prices in Texas right now on dairy products is artificially deflated. The large Agri-business dairies are trying to do in Texas what they did in Colorado, driving the small dairies out of business. They have already gotten new milk laws passed, which require expensive licenses that no small dairy or cheese-maker could afford easily, and now they are flooding the market with cheap dairy products so that small dairies won't be able to make enough to possibly buy those licenses.

Then a grain/hay buy-out ups the price of feed, and small dairies have to sell out their stock and file bankruptcy. One dairy I know of has jumped the gun...he sold out EVERYTHING last month. Told me he's seen this happen in 3 states already and he doesn't plan on loosing everything because the dairy corporations have decided to destroy the small farmer and dairyman.

So folks in Texas, do not take current dairy prices as actually respective of the market, they are not. Check prices in Louisiana and New Mexico to see what milk and butter SHOULD cost....as well as feed and hay.

Now, for me, most of the time I make my own bread and pasta. I don't see what is so unhealthy about pasta that people consider it a non-homesteader's luxury or something...but whole wheat bread and whole wheat pasta are a staple around here, and very easy to make. Pasta, especially, is easy to store, so I can make a LOT ahead of time.

We're not going hungry here...and actually, we are getting more ahead than we were before the crash. Our income hasn't really changed, but people are selling a lot of stuff that before the crash, they would have asked for hundreds or thousands of dollars...and now are actually selling reasonable.
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Could you please elaborate on that and explain what kind of protection was/is being provided to protect our "resources" and against what hazards?
What kind of protection to your local police provide to protect your belongings from those who would break in steal at night or invade and take by force? They enforce the law, that's what they do. They provide a reasonable certainty that there will be consequences if someone conducts a home invasion and removes your valuables by force. For the vast majority of would be thieves, that is enough.

Alternatively you could buy big guns and make it very clear that you will use them should someone invade your property. In that case you provide your own security and don't need the police.

As a county, Canada has no "big guns." We rely on the fact that America has lots of big guns and is effectivly the world's police service. For that reason, unless someone has more or bigger guns than America, taking Canada's resources by force would be a bad idea. For the vast majority of would be thieves, that is enough.


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Old 11/16/10, 07:19 PM
 
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Yes, recipients get a cheque on the 3rd Wednesday of the month. Everything a recipient needs has to be paid out of that cheque - rent, utilities, groceries and other household needs, clothing, car insurance and gas if they have a car, any other expenses they might have but not medical, that is already covered separately. There are time limits on how long most people can stay on social assistance unless they have some kind of permanent disability as the system is set up to get people off welfare as quickly as possible. Recipients cannot build up a savings account, only allowed to have a certain amount in the bank at any given time.

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Obviously, I'm out of touch, and astounded, at the cost of daycare - and don't know a lot about the actual workings of the welfare, food stamp, etc. program. I actually learned what I know when my daughter was asst mgr of a small local grocery store.

Here in Texas, a person can take their Lone Star card and get money. I never really understood it, but apparently the government allows them a certain amount of cash on the Lone Star card, whether that is actually through the food stamp program or it is some manner of what they used to call 'aid to dependent children', anyone know?
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Inflation, inflation, inflation. One of worst felonies that the people of America allow the gov't to get away with.
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Old 11/16/10, 07:44 PM
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Here in Texas, a person can take their Lone Star card and get money. I never really understood it, but apparently the government allows them a certain amount of cash on the Lone Star card, whether that is actually through the food stamp program or it is some manner of what they used to call 'aid to dependent children', anyone know?
There are 2 kinds of benefits that can be loaded on a welfare card.

One is food stamps. Those can be used ONLY on food, with the usual food stamp restrictions (no hot ready to eat food).

The other benefit that can be loaded on the card is cash. This can be used any kind of way that any other cash can be used.
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Old 11/16/10, 08:16 PM
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Yes I have looked at ... but it still does not put health care into that equation if you really look at it ... they pay higher taxes on everything to cover the cost of the health care. If someone was to get in my family in the US I would be wiped out.. and if it happened in the UK I would not be ...because I pay for it in all the extra taxes on everything.. I am also the only one in my family born in the US all of my family lives in Canada... Yes other countries do pay more for everything from being taxed, but the overall difference comes down to health care.
That'd be sorta like being wiped out if you happen to get sick, or get wiped out continually by the govt.'s take.
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There are 2 kinds of benefits that can be loaded on a welfare card.

One is food stamps. Those can be used ONLY on food, with the usual food stamp restrictions (no hot ready to eat food).

The other benefit that can be loaded on the card is cash. This can be used any kind of way that any other cash can be used.
Is the money just 'given' money?

My impression was it was the same card used for both with a certain amount of money, am I right? I do remember hearing my daughter tell a lady there was no more money available on her card, and thinking she had just used it for groceries - I could be fuzzy there.
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I noticed that gasoline at the Ft Sam Houston Post Exchange service station is 0.10/gallon higher this week than last week.
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Is the money just 'given' money?

My impression was it was the same card used for both with a certain amount of money, am I right? I do remember hearing my daughter tell a lady there was no more money available on her card, and thinking she had just used it for groceries - I could be fuzzy there.
The money is Aid For Dependent Children. It's only for qualifying families with children. Families without children cannot get it.

A Lone Star card can have food stamps alone loaded on it OR it can have both food stamps and cash on it.

When a recipient uses their Lone Star card at a POS terminal, the terminal asks if they are using the food stamps or cash, and they have to select which they are using before the transaction proceeds.
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The money is Aid For Dependent Children. It's only for qualifying families with children. Families without children cannot get it.

A Lone Star card can have food stamps alone loaded on it OR it can have both food stamps and cash on it.

When a recipient uses their Lone Star card at a POS terminal, the terminal asks if they are using the food stamps or cash, and they have to select which they are using before the transaction proceeds.
Thanks,

I thought it was something like that - but not sure.
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That is extremly cheap -- $200+ is the norm
OT, but I have to wonder...

So if a woman is making minimum wage (7.25/hr) and works 40 hours per week, that's $290 gross. Deduct 20% for taxes (an estimate, of course) and that brings it down to $232 net.

If daycare costs $200 per week (regardless of how many kids that might pay for), what is the point of Mom working?

Just musing...
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OT, but I have to wonder...

So if a woman is making minimum wage (7.25/hr) and works 40 hours per week, that's $290 gross. Deduct 20% for taxes (an estimate, of course) and that brings it down to $232 net.

If daycare costs $200 per week (regardless of how many kids that might pay for), what is the point of Mom working?

Just musing...
That's why so many single mothers end up on welfare.

Although there are government-subsidized day cares that use a sliding scale for the working poor. Unfortunately, Obama is cutting funding to those, which of course will throw many women onto welfare who were trying to avoid it.
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Please explain to me why the government or other citizens of the country have to take responsibility for the single mom's poor life choices and pay to raise her children.

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