What to do when you can't shoot dogs?

I completely agree. The owner should be forced by the authorities to contain her dogs. I don't see why she can't get official help. I echo, the real bad guy is the terrible owner 100%. Hell, if she killed my goats, the last thing she'd have to worry about is her dog. It'd be confrontational to say the least.

Who said the dogs were trying to kill her baby? When, where? NOBODY! The dog sniffed the baby and she hit it with a branch!

Boy, no I am not kidding you. These dogs have done no physical harm to anybody. Shoot 'em, you say?

Ohhh I forgot your right guy let's just wait till the dogs till the overly aggressive dogs snatch the child out of the stroller and drag them into their own yard. Get your head on right and then start giving out advice. If it was your child i'd love to see how you would react to the same. What aren't you kidding me about? Your post makes no sense

aparently some one needs to read the OP again so ill paste it here




I hate to consider this but what are the legal options other than shooting a dog for going after livestock? Are traps / poisons legal? I know they are cruel but I am desperate. I've shot dogs before but where we have moved to I just can't do it due to the way the neighborhood is laid out. There is just not a good shot - cow pen on one side, houses all around the other sides. My husband could do it but he has to be away a lot right now and I’m afraid I will miss or the bullet might go through and hurt someone. I've called the police they say to shoot the dogs or take her to court. I’ve taken the owner to court and she just ignored the judge. She keeps adding large uncontrollable rescue dogs and letting them run loose. There is no leash law here. The only time I can get them to come close enough to get a good shot at them without endangering either someone else’s livestock or family is when I take my baby out in her stroller and then it is because they try to attack her so that isn’t an option.

I’ve warned the owner that her dogs were going after my dairy goats and I would have to shoot them if she didn’t keep them up. She said she would but the letter she wrote sounded almost like a threat that things would escalate. It was the sort of letter that could be taken two ways and I tried to take it in the best light but 2 days later someone gave my goats a “treat” – a gallon can of baked beans were thrown into the pen – my poor darlings all died of bloat. I can’t prove anything but you and I both know what happened. As soon as we hauled the dead goats to the dump, the dogs were back and after my piglets only now she has added a Rottweiler to the pack. This woman is just not right in the head – she maced our 88 year old neighbor for chasing them out of his garden – he had a heart condition which she knew about so obviously she is a little irrational about these dogs so no matter what I do there will be trouble. I have no idea what to do.

Please don’t suggest better fencing as this is not just about the fear of their getting in the pens. I am afraid for my baby. If my husband is away I have to take the baby with me when I feed the animals because I don’t want to leave her alone in the house. I am stuck in a back brace at the moment I have to put her in the stroller to do this. One time when she cried they went after her so badly that I had to beat them off with a tree branch. I am now afraid to take her out walking or anything else. I feel like I am living under siege. They are at it day and night. I can't sleep. I'm so tired and stressed it is really making me nuts.
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Now the dogs have a gun??? Oh, this situation is deteriorating quickly.

One time when she cried they went after her so badly that I had to beat them off with a tree branch.

Maybe you might want to read this sentence again, doesn't say anything about sniffing.

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Ok so NO were does it say the dogs sniffed the kid
No where does it say that

WHAT IT DOES SAY
dogs were chasing her goats
dogs chasing her piglets
she did take them to court and it did no good
even the cops said to shoot the dog
and she did say that the dogs proved to be enough of a threat she fears for her child.
the owner is unstable

so far from a certain some ones post i seems they dont believe the OP

familyman are trying to say the OP is a Liar
cause it seems your saying you dont beleive the situation

and to me i think we should give our fellow homesteaders the curtousy of trust till they prove us wrong

and as to the tough guys with a gun feeling supioror to the dog
D--- right im superior we all are
we are people they are animals
if you want to be the kind of a person that risks your children with this kind of dog i feel bad for your children not much of a family man are you

And this one too:

The only time I can get them to come close enough to get a good shot at them without endangering either someone else’s livestock or family is when I take my baby out in her stroller and then it is because they try to attack her so that isn’t an option.

So to answer the OP's question 12-gauge buckshot, since your in the backbrace though use a 20-gauge or 410 no kick and you sure as heck will put a hole through a menacing dog.

Also to whoever said leave the child in the house unattended needs to be examined because that's one of the most reckless things I have ever heard.

IF, you had bothered to read the original post, you would have seen this.




Since you didn't read the original post, I am having to check your facts for you. I put some of the most glaring untruths that you stated in big bold print for you.

Perhaps you should check the facts. It is an outright lie to say that the dogs only wanted to sniff the baby. You weren't there, the OP was and you need to take her facts at face value, and not presume innocence on a dog, just because it is a dog.

They tried to attack the baby, and this poor woman had to beat the dogs off with a stick.

They went after her goats. After that, they went after her piglets. I posted the law regarding livestock, and you didn't read it, so I will post it again for your edification.

So the dogs don't need to actually bite livestock, or kill livestock in order t be eligible to be killed. They only need to enter the OP's property and chase the livestock.

So to quote you, "Tell ya what, Billy Ray, find out what ya talkin' about."

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not getting 'the facts' straight, to his original posting #56 (see above)
and especially the hi-lighted portions......it pretty much says it all.......

Why argue with a fool who hasn't taken the time, nor the effort to examine ALL
the evidence??? Besides, I have little use for someone who believes an animal has the same
(or even more) rights than a human. And if that animal or animals is/are threatening
my livestock (or worse) possibly going to do harm to my family......
then they have no other right, but to die......and to do so quickly!!!

You are exactly correct, and he has read posts or he couldn't respond. This person is a newcomer who isn't here to discuss or contribute. He is nothing more than a troll who is just trying to create chaos and draw responses so he can continue to have fun jerking chains.

Pop always told me "anyone who argues with an idiot is no smarter than the idiot" this is one of those cases.

If we would all just ignore him and not respond, regardless of how outrageous or ignorant his statements are, he would soon grow tired of talking to himself and hopefully go away. It doesn't matter if or how he answers my post I will not answer him.

granular slug bait in a hamburger meat ball works every time

i would suggest the ole SSS method. Shoot, Shovel, Shutup

If the dogs are doing anything to your property and arent permitted by you to be on your land then you have all the right in the world to kill them. expecailly if the owner has had fair warning.

in regards to your post the original posters user name is a little concerning to me.

I'm hesitant to offer anything on this thread because it's sort of degenerated into a squabble in and of itself. But here's my offering, and OP, you can use it if it fits for you, or discard it with some of the other stuff here that clearly won't work either. Regardless, I wish you the best and hope you can find peaceful resolution.

First, I'd consider my right (and my family's right) to move about my own property without being molested by outside people or animals to be the real issue here. That's been infringed. The one who is responsible for the infringement is, well, a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Not only is it pretty much impossible to shoot the offending dogs without risking stray shots going somewhere unintended, she's also very very likely to retaliate. In my way of seeing it, shooting the dogs, which would be a useful and proactive solution in many other situations, is just not going to work here. It seems like that would bring Ms Loony down on your other animals or maybe cause her to bring a can of gas down on your barn.

You really have to be careful to keep it from escalating. Authorities will prosecute her after the fact; but then it's too late for your home, your animals, or maybe you or your family.

I think if it was me, I would start with a private discussion with the 88 year old man. If he's the type who can keep his cool, I'd ask him to join with me. I'd talk to other surrounding neighbors that may have been hassled by her dogs. And we'd become a united front.

Next I'd call the police and animal control. I'd tell them, quietly and rationally, what's been going on. I would also have each of the neighbors do the same thing. I would think it would be very important to not become angry or emotional, as that often causes the person's opinion to be discounted. I would tell the police that she is in violation of a court order, and that her dogs are known biters. I would encourage the authorities and give them every opportunity to help. Yet if I don't feel I'm getting anywhere during the conversation, here's what I'd say, and in a very calm and conversational voice: "I feel like this phone call is going nowhere. I was afraid that might happen. So I have recorded this call. And in the event another attack occurs, then I can show the judge that you were given the opportunity to help and did nothing."

Chances are reasonable that this would be motivating.

You need to turn the wacko's focus to the police and animal control, not to you. Let the friction happen between you and the authorities; odds are better that both sides have rational people. Then the authorities can act, and she can focus on the authorities, not you. And they have the capability of hauling her away should she escalate.

BTW, in our county, known biters are PTS, period. Doesn't matter if they're nice doggies the rest of the time; if they bite anyone, or kill livestock, they're dead. There are way too many really nice dogs waiting in shelters for homes to let known biters live.

I wish you luck. You shouldn't have to be afraid to move about on your own land, nor should you have to be afraid for your family or critters.

Roadtrip, y'all?

Oh, and that's BETTY Ray to you, Scooter.

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Yessir, that's what I wanna hear!!!

What's holden ya back? Or you gonna wait for the mob? Or you just talking out your face again?

Come on! No jokes here, son. Handle your business.

Lots of arguing over nothing.

If the husband does not think there is a problem it isn't worth arguing about. If it was a serious problem the husband would take a day off to fix the problem. He must not think there is a problem. People are arguing over something the husband does not even care about.