What to do when you can't shoot dogs?

Ya, and put a trail cam on 'em.

I know im not the most politically correct person and im a bit rough around the edges but i can not beleive what im reading. Some one really thinks that killing a dog that is vicious enough to attack a child and one that is a repeat offender (meaning the dog has caused problems for other neighbors as well) is murder and that the OP should not protect her family due to some moral belief that the dog is on the same level of a human. IT is an animal put here for use to use and an animal that clearly is a threat to people needs to be put down. Maybe its the owners fault for raising the dog this way but that is besides the point now, the dog is a danger to all the neighbors and to those who come into contact with it in the future. Now i can respect the OP if she decides not to kill the dog. By doing so it does complicate the situation specifically if the owner of the dog sees you do it but I guess im astonished by the atitude of those who call defending your family from a vicious dog is murder.

To the OP i wish i could come help you sort out the situation. I know what id do. But only you can make the decision dont let anyone convince you that shooting the dog is wrong its just one option. and game cams would work but you have to get the dogs on tape doing somthing else I.E. chasing or killing livestock attacking a person somthing that incriminates the dogs and just gives them another chance to hurt someone or some other animal. Fencing would help but a dog can dig if it really wants in and its expensive. Notifying the judge is an option. calling all the animal control, humane society, sheriffs, any one in a position to get the owner in trouble and take care of the dogs is an option. But having hubby park his truck down the road and take a few days off work and sit and wait for the dogs then use the 3 S's
shoot shuvel and shut up. is the easies cheapest and most effective. I hope all works out well. please let us know what happens.

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BRAIN!!! God gave me one to think about the best way to solve problems, and since I don't
have fangs, claws or pincers.......He then gave me the ability to either create or use
tools that function in their stead. Hence my choice of a 22. Besides it has the added
advantage of reaching out and 'touching' the target as it is fleeing the scene of the crime......
that is, if an animal(s) can be tried, convicted and sentenced to death in one generalization.....
which of course, they can.....by either a man.....or in the case now being discussed.....a woman.


/btw: Just because you didn't want to be very involved in this discussion, you apparently are,
since you opened that particular can of worms by 'voicing' your opinion without knowing all
the facts in this case........and by admitting to it.....no 'thinking' was involved......
None of your brain cells were placed in any danger during this time period.....why,
almost anyone could do it if they set their "mind" aside. Hence, you really have 'no opinion' to defend.

So I ask, if there was say a 10 year old boy doing these things, instead of a dog.....3 S's?

It would seem to me if the it is as bad as the op said it is the husband would take a few days off to correct the problem. If may be he doesn't think it is that bad of a problem. I don't think a man would take a chance on the life of his child. If it is really that bad he will take a day off work to correct.

Boy you have an axe to grind...why so vindictive?

It seems you are using your brain just as our ancestors did. Simply.

You do have fingers, fists, feet. Would that give the dog a fighting chance? Or are you scared?

And your last sentence or two (brain cells, no opinion) I didn't really understand anyway, or what it has to do with the situation.

Agreed. OP just wants to feel better about killing the dogs because people on the Internet say it's ok. Revenge for killing the goats, maybe?

3 S's
SHOOT
SHOVEL
SHUT UP

And if a 10yr old boy attacks my baby i will defend my family and use what ever force necessary to defend my family as to my live stock i will defend what is mine but more along the lines of prosicute to the full extent of the law but its not a human its a dog there is no comparison animals are animals people are people we do not treat animals like people nor should we. they are tools, companions, FOOD. PEOPLE are not TOOLS OR FOOD NOR JUST A COMPANION. The animals were put on this earth for us to use and we are there stewards. with that being so a dog that would attack a baby is sentenced to death by what ever means necessary. Now no the dog has not as of yet put tooth to skin to a child but it has proved that it is a threat to those in the area. AND to the neighbor problem that is where camras come in.

SHOOT THE DOGS! get new goats and put up a camra. when the crazy neigbor throse them the beans or poison or what ever prosicute. Correct me if im wrong but i think here she would not only responsible for the cost of the goat but its future production or milk and offspring so she will have to pay pay pay.

So, Hoosier, why can't you prosecute to the full extent of the law in this case, instead of resorting to killing them?

Dogs, people, we are all creatures, animals. And I value many animals more than I do some people. We all know many people don't value life (crackheads, gangs, etc.).

You're wrong. People are tools, people are food. What do you do for a living? What if you died in the woods with no one around? You're a tool, and you'd be food.

As you said, it hasn't even put tooth to skin yet. What, the dog come sniff and check out the baby, the baby starts crying, and the mom beats it away with a branch? Please, the dog could have killed both mother and child in a matter of minutes, if it wanted to, which it clearly did not.

That would make the dog someone else's problem. The dog must be put down.

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Popeye

Well, what if your wife and child were in this same threatening situation? What if the loony neighbor's dogs had killed your goats? And said loony remained unremorseful and unco-operative about containing her dogs?

Would you just shrug and think about it? For how long? Till your baby was killed? I guess that would get the sheriff's attention, but it would be better if things didn't get that far, doncha think?

I am an animal lover. I have dogs. Large livestock guardian dogs that do, very occasionally, leave my property. They do not threaten people (or children) nor do they harm any livestock. However, if they wandered onto a neighbor's property and that neighbor shot the dog, then I would most certainly understand. I don't see this neighbor being very understanding. She thinks it's OK for her dogs to terrorise the neighborhood. It's a shame the dogs have to pay for her being crazy, but unfortunately that's the way the world works sometimes.

I see the OP's only alternative to living in constant fear as having someone take care of those dogs and any dogs that replace them, should they act in the same manner. Sad, but there it is.

Mary

there has been a continuous problem the owner of the dogs already has a court rulling against her and she ignores it she doesnt care.

As for a living I farm for a living and if i see a dog chasing my cows i shoot it on spot if i have a dog causing problems with any of my critters I.E. chickens pigs cows what have you i shoot it on the spot with out question

now as to last comment about dog sniffing kid, kid cries, mom over reacts, that is a posibility. it could be she is over reacting and or just is looking to get vengence for the goats but i prefer to give my Homesteading Today family the benifit of the doubt and without reason to beleive other wise i take her for what she posted. thats all we can do. and if the dogs tried to attack the crying child and she had to defend her baby then the dog needs to be put down.

Copperkid3 isn't vindictive. He is realistic! If this were happening in my neighborhood, I would much rather have copperkid around than you, believe me!

Cases like this call for someone who is actually willing to take the decisive action that is needed to stop the threat. You cannot reason with a vicious dog, and you cannot allow it to continue to threaten children, pets and livestock.

It is lunacy in this situation to believe that the dog deserves "a fighting chance"! Vicious dogs don't give children, pets and livestock a "fighting chance!"

Fortunately, Virginia legislators had better sense than some of the posters here. This is the laws they passed in this regard.

http://pubs.ext.vt.edu/410/410-030/410-030.html

OP, it seems that the can of baked beans should have been fingerprinted to show who did it, and a copy of the letter provided to the police as evidence that she threatened you.

As for the neighbor that she maced in his own yard, he should have filed a claim against her for assault. And sued.

Have any of the dogs bitten anyone yet or killed animals yet? Not just yours, but anyone? The instant they do, you, or whoever is injured needs to file a criminal complaint and a civil claim against the owner of the property. Their insurance company may force them to get rid of the dogs. That is, if they aren't smart enough to realize on their own what a huge liability they are, and this woman clearly isn't smart enough.

Does this woman own her home or is she a renter? It is possible that she is a renter, and the owner isn't aware of the dog situation, and the liability that THEY face if someone is injured. If the owner is someone else, they should know what kind of liability their tennant is exposing them to. I would evict any tenant who exposed me to liability like that. In fact, I have had my OWN dogs put down when they turned vicious (after having puppies). I kept the mama long enough to wean the pups and find them homes, but she and the daddy dog remained vicious and as much as it hurt to do so, putting them (the momma and daddy) down was the right thing to do. I could not risk them escaping their enclosure and injuring or killing someone.

Visit the link I provided above, and call the Virginia extension agency and tell them what has been happening, and see if they have any suggestions. They may have knowledge of resources that you haven't thought of. They may be able to provide traps of some kind so the dogs can be humanely disposed of.

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Popeye

While I disagree with poisoning, I would never ever give a dog a "fighting chance" to kill a child.
If a dog needs killing, kill it as quick as possible.
A dog is not a person

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Enforced tolerance is oppression

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If it was a 10 year old boy sneaking onto her property and trying to kill her baby the sheriff and DHS would have taken him away on the first attack.

I don't know about where you live but around here we don't have an animal control officer or a pound and we are all just expected to take care of dog problems ourselves. That is pretty normal in a rural area.

Where I live there are gun laws and guns have to registered and stored in locked cabinets. It is unlawful to shoot anything except with a hunting license in season. So shooting coyotes or nuisance dogs is out of the question. Calling the police and animal control does not work either as they have few officers and a huge territory to police. If a dog or coyote comes after me it will get sprayed with Raid bug spray in the face! I carry a small can in my pocket whether walking or riding a bike. Dogs don't like it as it smarts. Dog packs and coyotes somehow disappear when a few neighbors hear about them. No one knows who does it or how because no one is telling. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do.

You poor thing, Loose all your goats, still have to worry about the rest of your livestock & most important your baby can't even play outside or be around you in the barn.

I can't believe the police won't do anything & this woman sounds like what ever authorities say she'll ignore anyways. I mean she maced an 88 year old man for chasing the dogs from his garden.

Those dog's would be shot & put exactly where you had to put your goats. If you don't feel safe making the shots yourself then I would get a brother, friend, etc. that a good shot to do it.

Or like some others here have suggested, get one of those big live trpas from TSC, bait it with canned dog food or what ever you think those dog's will go for, trap them & shoot them.
I would continue getting rid of her dogs as long as they were coming on my property.

Are you kidding me guy? Last time I checked my dogs don't try and rip the faces off of children in strollers. This is a dangerous situation and scary for me to even think of this poor woman is physically incapable of defending herself and her child and you tell her to live and let be. 12 gauge buckshot you might only need 1 shot for all 3 dogs.

Bet you any money if the OP stated they were pitbulls everyone would want to blast them with firearms. A dog's a dog is it's harmful t animals and people its gotta go o if's and's or but's.

The crazy lady with the dogs and the posters here who refuse to admit that there is anything wrong with what the dogs are doing, feel a misplaced sense of moral superiority. There is nothing moral about the crazy lady's neglect of her dogs and her willingness to endanger others.

There is nothing moral about insisting that dogs will be dogs and everybody else is wrong and must spend hundreds or thousands on fencing if they wish any small degree of security.

So take their posts with a grain of salt.

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Popeye

I do agree it is sad for the dogs because ultimately it is their owners fault and not theirs. She should have a securely fenced yard, the owner that is, it's the owners responsibility to keep her dogs on her property. If anyone told me one of my dogs threatened a child it would be securely fenced from there on out. The real bad guy in all of this is the owner 100%.