k-9 something went after my dog (a wolf)

Uh I think the other posters care about her dog and don't want to see it killed....

If you have a known predator in the area please don't let your dog run out of your yard! We have had several terriers over the years and yes they do tackle first and think long after! Hope he is ok and you catch whatever attacked him.

There is an epidemic of animals being dropped off in the countryside due to the economy.

I would guess it's a now feral dog, not a wolf.

Keep the little one on a leash for the next couple weeks.

If I had large predators hanging out around the house, I'd be a tad bit proactive, and make them feel unwelcome.

If I can positively identify something chasing my dogs (as not another one of my dogs) I'd not hesitate to aerate it.

Seriously doubt it was a wolf...

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I guess you would know a gratuitous attack when you see one.

This years wolf cubs would still be with the pack and would be more then capable of killing a small dog on their own. Wolf cubs develop much faster then dogs, and by 6-8 weeks old they are out of the den site and traveling to rendezvous sites with the rest of the pack. Around 12 weeks of age they are following the pack on hunts and by 6-7 months old they are hunting large game with the pack. This seasons wolf cubs are already over 7 months old and fully capable of killing a small dog and hunting on their own. Even a 6 week old terrier from hunting lines will grip and shake a rodent to death the first time it gets a hold of one. You think wolves have to learn how to do this and dogs don't?

The only "disabled" wolf that wouldn't have finished the dog off is one with a broken jaw. I don't think this animal had that disability. Whatever had the dog, had it in its mouth if it was screaming and covered with saliva. The bite force of a wolf is far greater then any dog, even a disabled or sick wolf can still bite hard. 75+ pound wolf makes short work of 15lb terrier.

Now dogs regularly mouth one another and that is why I believe it was another dog either protecting something from this dog or just plain irritated with it. Not intending to kill it, grabbed it to get its point across. Oh and dogs also bark often, way more often then wolves.

Wolves do not stay with their pack 24/7, they spend a large part of their time patrolling by themselves so when you see a wolf by itself it doesn't mean its a lone wolf. The majority of the assumed lone wolves really aren't lone wolves at all. They meet up at areas known as rendezvous sites when they are assembling to hunt or socialize with one another. The wolves that truly are "lone" wolves are feeding themselves so they are pretty well adapted at killing smaller prey on their own and scavenging. Lone wolf or part of a pack, it wouldn't matter, they could take a small dog easily either way.

The fact is the OP has NO idea what got a hold of her dog and is simply ASSUMING a wolf did when odds are it was not. They say it themselves they do not know if its a wolf.

Whatever it was, you would think that they would be a little more proactive about the safety of their dog. I know I am with mine. A wolf was thought to be on the road a week earlier and this dog is still roaming around at night. If the dog gets ran over should we blame the driver of the car? If the neighbor shoots it for bothering their animals should we hunt down the neighbor? No, we would fully expect the dog owner to be responsible for their dog. When a dog roams over to the neighbors and gets attacked by something we should now forget about the responsibility of the owner for keeping their dog safe?
I guess I don't think that way.

The DNR is going to tell her to keep the dog on a leash or in a kennel. That is what you do with dog when you live in wolf country or you take the risk of your dog being taken. Numerous bear hounds get killed in WI each year by wolves. They don't trap the wolves that kill the hounds because the dogs are running through the woods far from their owners. You want to let a dog run loose its the risk your going to take. They are most likely not going to come set traps because something barked on the road one night, then something covered a small dog in saliva and made it scream while roaming in the neighbors yard or because they can be heard howling at night.

Jason, I really do not know where to start, sigh.......

Lone wolves occur all the time. If wolves were never driven from a pack where would new packs come from?

Study up a little on "Retained Puppy Traits". This is a trait that exists in defective wolves that is the source of most dog traits. An example of a retained puppy trait would be a pointer. They find game but they don't kill it. Lousy trait in a wolf, great trait in a bird dog. Any wolf with a defective kill instinct would soon find itself out of the pack. Even sucessful packs only make a kill in one out of ten hunts.

If you would go back and read the OP you would realize that her dog wasn't "roaming around", it was accompanying her (and protecting her) on her eveninbg chores. Isn't this one of the reasons we keep dogs?

The DNR is the LAST people you want to call for advise on problem wildlife. they are pretty near worthless in this regard.

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Yes, that is the experience here too. On my property, animals spotted acting sickly or aggressively are quickly dispatched. No call to the 'authorities' because they will not do anything in response to the call.

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Perhaps this is where the idea came from that the dog was out of sight?

Myheaven, I hope your little dog is alright. How's Bruzer doing today? Although we live in the city, I worry about my little guys getting picked off by coyotes, so your story sent shivers down my back. The coyotes travel along the canal banks and have been seen pretty darned close to downtown. Although we live a few miles from the nearest canal, I think it is totally feasable that a coyote could end up here. We have so many stray dogs wandering the neighborhoods, a coyote could possibly travel quite a ways without being recognized as not being a dog.

The news (tv & newspapers) occasionally warns people to watch their small pets, saying that a coyote can jump a 6' fence with ease. 6' is the maximum allowable, and is the standard back yard fence height. It's frightening to think that I am providing a safe environment for my dogs but it's not actually safe.

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I'm in the camp of a dog (feral or domestic) or possibly coyote. Since the dog was on the neighbor's property out of sight we'll never really know. Does the neighbor have a large guard dog protecting their property?

Before I made comments on this post. I have actually READ the post plus a previous post. The dog was in someone else's yard whether that was 10 feet or a mile away. Its still roaming and not under the control of its owner.

Retained puppy traits is a term used to describe dog behavior and traits that were retained from wolves when they were domesticated.There are not a bunch of "stupid" wolves running around the woods with retrained puppy traits that can't hunt. I did a quick google search because I have never heard of this term related to wolves. I couldn't find a single link.I am always interested in learning more so if a source can be provided I would appreciate that.

The majority of wolves leaving a pack are doing so by choice. They are dispersing in hopes of being able to reproduce. Problem is most of the good rel-estate is already occupied by existing packs. A wolves worst enemy is another wolf. Yeah lone wolves exist. They are not any less capable of killing a small dog and that is the point your missing.

I have based my posts off of experience tracking radio collared wolves, dissecting their scat, and observing wild wolves and a domestic pack. Not the internet or what billy told me at the local waterhole.

The DNR's is not worthless, I think many people just misunderstand what they do. They don't have the time or man power to respond to every complaint such as this one. If you live in the county your going to have wild animal around. Wolves and coyotes are going no where anytime soon.

It is going to take me some time to read the responses left please forgive me. My computer was hacked and infected so had to have it off for repairs yesterday. #1 my dog is always with me. When I say let him out to alert I mean he was allowed to come outside with me. He is a working dog. He is to alert me if something is not right outside. He is trained. I now have to say 99% of the time he comes back to me when I call him. This last time he took off from me was shocking. He went to the neighbors yard OR should have said as :the line between my and my 80 yo neighbors yard. She has no dog. he was protecting me.
My dog is to help round up my goats and get them in the barn. Get the pigs and steer away from the gates for feeding and watering and if a chicken is out of his or her area he gets them back to where they should be. Markes HIS terriorty in which he stays in.
He is NEVER outside WITHOUT me. What was so alarming was THIS>>>>>> This k-9 animal crossed his (my dogs) and my terriorty line. NEVER!!!! has a coyote gone threw the "line" sence We have gotten lgds (live stock gaurd dogs). They did try to luer my jrt away with a bitch in heat. Like I said he is well trained and yes sometimes on a leash when he is not working.
I will respect the wild animals in everyway as long as they respect my space. 1/3 of my land is a habitat for the wild critters. Radio collared female wolf did have a den in the woods next to me. When she started to hunt my children when they waited for the bus in the am and pm when they got home. I got a lgd. She moved down the road how do I know 100% that is true??? the army core of eng. sending me letters of what she is doing. Now these wolfs were placed here. Im 1/4 mile from the fort where they were released. I respect ALL wild animals they have their place as do mine. I have a 5acer 5 strand barbed wire fence 4 strands are charged with a 100 acer fence charger. I went BIG and BEEFY due to wolves and the black bears.Im in berry counrty where else would a bear be. Had a black bear try to get into my pig fencing this spring when the gilt gave birth as babies like to make noise. My pig fence is Cattle combo pannel fencing and hot wire 1/4 acer charged with a 10 mile fencer Yes extreme to some but I know that I would have bears wanting meat along with wolves and coyotes and no My lgds do not run with my pigs. I have gone to the kickapoo valley reserve when they had "lessons" about wolves coyotes and bobcats as we now have several bobcats in the area. So Im not uneducated.
This was not about hunting If this animal wanted food. I have a teathered buck he could have easly "picked off" Along with two does close to him I am attempting to get to cycle so he could breed them. Not to mention I have cats with a few kittens that are easy picks and yet no animals are missing. This is a territory issue. We have a wolf that has been around for about lets say 10 day that I have been hearing his calls at night. He is establishing a new territory well attempting and my dog is in what he wants. We I know this sounds gross as I have done before is take and dump the kids potty cups in "MY TERRITORY" he will have to learn where his is allowed to be. My yard driveway and around my porch is not it. If he is going to be so bold he will have to move. I will be a great neighbor as long as he is one also.
If it comes out to be a wild dog or coyote by gumm I shure will kill it. If it is a wolf he will be relocated.
Now I will take time in a little bit to see what everyone said.

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I'm so done here.

this is the time I would be going out and I just heard the wolf going off. Course bruzer is in the window barking, snarling going nuts. I already did chores at 5.30 so Im good. That booger (wolf ) knows my routine well. And no its not a yotie Im hearing It is the howl of a wolf. Ruff ruf rarooooooooooooooooooooooo. We can hear him walking in the woods. Im not going out there. All but my 1 buck and 1 doe is locked in a barn or trailer.
Bruzer had a little damage in his abdomen. A couple of bloodvessels broken and a little pooling blood under the skin. his back leg has a hair line fracture in it. It will heal on its own I hope. I didnt have money for surgery at this point. If it becomes life and death I will sell something more and get him operated on. He now has to lay around and heal. He is sore but will be doing better soon. he will be spoiled as he heals. SHHH dont tell my husband he has slept with me the last 2 nights.

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I'm so done here.

I just called back to the wolf and he was doing like a weird like hurt puppy sound. Hes back in the area where my dog was hurt. He is trying to call out my dogs.

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I had a wolf hybrid (half wolf, half german shepard) once. Lupe was the best "dog" I ever had. He looked like a very large black wolf. Anyway, point is if what the OP has the problem with barked, I vote for not a wolf, in the ten years we were priviledged to have Lupe with us, I never heard him bark. Also, he had yellow wolf eyes and they glowed red at night, not silver .

To use the word bark was a wrong term. I honestly do not have 1 word to sum up the first thing this k-9 sounded like. Was not a coyote I have never heard one sound like that. I have delt with very very nasty packs in Michigan. they broke the bottom of my screen door. tore the plastic off my windows and climbed all over my car almost every night. They were manged and cross bred with dogs. The pack would surround my house and scream under my windows. I would litterly pass out from fear. Coyotes make my blood run cold. Here they are not bad. They do their job with the vermon and dead animals. I find them useful. When they are controled. Now the packs of wolves are getting to be to big. The dnr has announced that the are getting too agressive. they have considered letting a hunt happen. Im all for it. there needs to be a balance.
I will be calling my neighbor in the am whom is a coyote, bobcat hunter. I have been seeing his trucks and dogs heading out to the state lands.
the finle thing is this k-9 is out of bounds and agressive and needs to be dealt with one way or another. Im not chancing my kids lives. Or mine.
What ever this k-9 wolf or huskey what ever will be dealt with. We cant have my 80 yo neighbor hurt when she goes out to get her cat in. And yes her famliy takes care of her. This animal is dangerous and is after my dog. THis is my dogs territory and mine. This k-9 is not welcome. I also plan on getting a few more big dogs so my little guy has help BUT it takes several months to train a dog. But also it takes time to find the rite dog.

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I'm so done here.

talked with many people even the "big guys" who deal with the wolves. We are having issues with the wolves cross breeding with dogs. With the economy going south people are dumping dogs or not fixing their dogs. spay or nuter. What they figure is till either we catch the k9 or we can find his/her tracks and scat is this.If this is a cross bred animal it was mostly looking to breed. With the wolves cross breeding with the dogs they are loosing some instincts with it coming to the same spot so often the wildlife guy feels he or she is setting up a den in my back area and to poke around and find it and destroy the den and make it leave. "If it is a coyote kill it and do everyone a favor" was his words.
what they will do when they leave thier pack is find a dog what ever sex they need call it out like it was doing before, get a repore going and then breed, the dog (domesticated) may or maynot joing this animal. Now the k-9 calling out the domestic dog is a loaner and has left the pack to start their own pack. what they are seeing around here is a few times wolves have bred domestic bitches and now we have people dealing with high breds. And other people not knowing how to care for the highbreds let themm go at night and they hunt like the pack but return home at the end of the night. We do have wolves he looked up on his map and verifyed that we have a few wolves pass threw our little spot. I have changed my routine and things have gone a little better. Chores are a little harder now my dog is tied up and cant herd the goats like i need. But there has been no loss of life of anything here and I am happy.
Good lesson why all no breeding k-9s need to be fixed. As soon as I get a little more cash my jrt mutt is getting snipped.

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