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Old 10/04/10, 10:04 PM
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I thought I'd share this link about Allis Chalmers All Crops.

Note the post by Tom Yaz about possibly rebuilding a unit for a farmer to harvest onion seed.

It supports my original intent about how an All Crop could serve the person who wanted to try harvesting a specialized crop.

http://www.allischalmers.com/new/for...llcrop-rebuild
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Before my relocating I had a neighbor that used his AC All Crop to processed okra pods for the seed
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Wow...that is just fascinating. Okra seed? I'm still surprised that you own an AC and harvest grass seed! (I thought this thread would die a lonely death.)

I'm in awe of those machines. It is a good thing that I don't have lots of acres...or a wife that says "yes" to anything I want to do. LOL.

Can you only imagine the stuff I'd want to plant and harvest with an All Crop?
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Greetings From Yaz AllCrop

Hi everyone, found this thread in a search...I own www.yazallcrop.com

Wanted to put in my two cents..most of it in response to George..

>>>Uh, save your money, folks. Yes, they are fascinating machines,
and do the job of threshing all kinds of grain, can be run with a tractor with a PTO, etc, etc, but: Changeover time to convert concave to different grain--about four hours.


Keep in mind making adjustments per the grain is common to all combines, new and old.For the All-Crop it depends from what grain to what grain. Sometimes it could be a lot of changes, sometimes just an easy cylinder speed change.

Change(s) could be only ONE or ALL of the following:
1.Cylinder speed
2.Concave clearence
3.Ledger plate clearence
4.Blower speed
5.Number of cylinder bars
6.Number of concave bars.
7.Finishing screen.

the hardest to do is to change the number of concave bars or cylinder bars. Thankfully, most grains use the full compliment and no change is necessary.


>>>Running a rock thru the cylinder means big, big bucks.
Depends on the rock! LOL! but yes rocks can do harm.


>> Thrashing efficiency is governed by spacing of the concave bar as opposed to the spinning cylinder and its speed. Has to be adjusted frequently for grain conditions or you will lose them out the back
end in tailings, or cracked grain.

Again, adjusting threshing to the grain and conditions is required for all combines.


>>>Grain seives had to be interchanged for different grains.

Not hard to do (two small bolts in easy reach)
and the specialized screen is part of what makes the machine so great.


>>Big flat panel screens--doubtful if you could find a full set today.

I can provide any screen needed.


>>You had to have a special knowhow to twist the back belt to go around the pulleys. (This is the twenty-five foot one.)

This not real hard. The key is in order to have the belt in the grove correctly on all pulleys, as opposed to upside down, one is forced to put a twist in two particular places. I hope to make a video on this someday.
The good thing is most belts are relatively easy to change compared to other machines that often are surronded by sheet metal


>>Cross auger and grain lift auger had to be cleaned out between grains, and after rain(swollen grain)

Cleaning out combines between grains and before rain is a common task for all combines.


>>A million zerks.

Tis true

>>Most were operated without live PTO, so the machine had to be backed up and given a full power start to get it up to threshing speed if you had been shut down for any reason. Otherwise you lost unthrashed grain out the back end.

Not sure about that..never heard of this


>>Sickle bar cutter--doubt if TSC would have sections and fingers today

I have the sections and you can still get them from AGCO (mine are cheaper). Can still get the fingers from AGCO too.
(I have only sold used fingers thus far)

>>>Just my humble opinion--not worth the money and headache for small homesteading operations today. Won't somebody, please, invent a safe, working small model? Think outside the box, but not inside the bucket.....
geo


I agree for a homesteader with an acre or less an All Crop maybe overkill...You can get a stationary thresher - For $25K: http://www.seedburo.com/online_cat/categ10/slpt.asp
I found a much cheaper stationary machine made in Italy(perhaps imported from china?) for $6.5K: http://www.ferrari-tractors.com/PDF%...20Thresher.pdf


But for a person with 1-50 acres an All-Crop is a good way to go. The All-Crop does a fine job even by todays standards. I have had more than one farmer tell me it does a better thresing job than their modern counterpart. Yes it is a simple machine. On purpose. These were sold when farmers had not much more than a toolbox to work with. The simplicity makes maintenance a far easier task. It also makes the parts easier for me to make. This served farmers well back then and the small scale farmers of today. So there was a reason why this pull-type far outsold all other brands.


FarmBoyBill, I have made more than "but a couple" parts made. I have about 20 parts made thus far, and always more in the planning. Bringing new parts on line is a captial intensive job so its a slow go. The bad load of the for sale page was probably a temporary glitch. It works.

Yes parts can be expensive. But that goes for ALL combine models. And when it comes to availability for pull-types I suspect the All-Crop has the best. I have over 700 customers here and abroad, and am actually starting frame-off restorations. Most of my customers are hobby farmers, organic producers, CSA's, seed producers. Finding and maintaining an older self-propelled is impractical and too costly for many of them. Many of them also do a wide variety,specialized crops and this combine handles it very well.
I recall one turf farmer who uses it to save his own seed as grass seed was getting very expensive..I use one to harvest an heirloom wheat that gets me .60 per pound. I only had 2.75 acres. Was well worth it.

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As a farm boy my first experince was with a Massey Harris clipper combine. It was owned by a fellow my dad worked for on occation. It was ran by the PTO power of a Massey Harris model 30 tractor.
Finally my dad was able to afford his own combine a use IH model with a narrow header in campairson to the masseys at only 48 inches. We ran it with a case Vac with Live power PTO. It worked OK for several years but soon was really wore and costing a bunch to get thru one season of harvesting oats wheat and clover and alafa seed.
Once again we found a used machine at a farm auction $125.00 it was a All Crop 60. We powered it with a WD Allis PTO. One problem with it was some one had not folded in the unloading auger and hit a tree or big tree limb with it. It required fiddleing with each time to unload the bin but we used it up untill 2004. It also required a special ball hitch till the cutting tourch fixed that problem. I still own it but it sets.
I collect Massey Harris tractors so when I started buying machinery I found a Massey Harris Ckipper 60 for $50.00 a PTO powered unit. Maybe it is just me but I perfur the Massey to the Allis.

I have never heard of any one running a rock thru a combine. We picked the rocks from our fields before we planted. We also cut the grain ruffly 6 inches off the ground.
I have had no problem finding knives or fingers at TSC for either the Allis or the Massey, I just bought a box of knife sections at TSC this summer for the Massey # 11 hay mower.

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I have never heard of any one running a rock thru a combine. We picked the rocks from our fields before we planted. We also cut the grain ruffly 6 inches off the ground.
I have had no problem finding knives or fingers at TSC for either the Allis or the Massey, I just bought a box of knife sections at TSC this summer for the Massey # 11 hay mower.

Al
rocks are an issue in low lying crops like soybeans and with farmers who think a combine is also a rock picker...

When was the last time you bought guards and blades at TSC for an AllCrop?I Have never found them and my wholesaler doesnt have them. I ahve ahd to buy a particular type and have them milled back. If you got a TSC number I would love to know it!

My Dad had a Massey Harris Clipper... Know what you mean in being fond of "your color"
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Old 10/07/10, 04:35 AM
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Wow.

Tom, how on earth did you ever find this thread? Just by an internet search? I just about fell out of my chair when I saw that you had posted here!

I've seen you post quite often on http://allischalmers.com, helping people get their All Crops repaired or suggesting how they can get their machine adjusted correctly...but I never expected in a million years that you would find this thread, and post on it!!!

FWIW, I am enjoying following your thread at allischalmers.com on doing a complete frame-off restoration on an All Crop 60 with a bagger.

Now that you've seen homesteadingtoday.com, I hope you stick around...this is a great site.
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I regularly do a search on the phrase all-crop which leads me to the posts..Chime in or help when appropriate..Part of marketing I guess..
Interesting forum here, I do have an interest in doing things talked about here. Hope to have some new pics of the project this weekend...
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"But for a person with 1-50 acres an All-Crop is a good way to go. The All-Crop does a fine job even by todays standards. I have had more than one farmer tell me it does a better thresing job than their modern counterpart. "Yes it is a simple machine. On purpose. These were sold when farmers had not much more than a toolbox to work with. The simplicity makes maintenance a far easier task. It also makes the parts easier for me to make. This served farmers well back then and the small scale farmers of today. So there was a reason why this pull-type far outsold all other brands.
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I can agree wholeheartedly if you would say maybe 5-50 acres to combine each year. My point(s) were intended for those who have less acreage to thresh--or those who WOULD grow more--above and beyond just curiosity/hobby amounts, if only they could find the kind of machine that would fill that need and eliminate shocking, flailing, and winnowing.

The Ferrari comes close to that idea, but I am hoping for something in between the electric drill in a bucket and the Ferrari........ for a few hundred or a few thousand sq. ft. of different grains for home use (bread, cereal, animal feed, pasture seeding, tc.)

Keep up the good work restoring those All-Crops, though. I'm sure they still have their place....... Got any unstyled WC's to pull one? That was our setup.

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I can agree wholeheartedly if you would say maybe 5-50 acres to combine each year. My point(s) were intended for those who have less acreage to thresh--or those who WOULD grow more--above and beyond just curiosity/hobby amounts, if only they could find the kind of machine that would fill that need and eliminate shocking, flailing, and winnowing.

The Ferrari comes close to that idea, but I am hoping for something in between the electric drill in a bucket and the Ferrari........ for a few hundred or a few thousand sq. ft. of different grains for home use (bread, cereal, animal feed, pasture seeding, tc.)

Keep up the good work restoring those All-Crops, though. I'm sure they still have their place....... Got any unstyled WC's to pull one? That was our setup.

geo

Thanks Geo; I got where your coming from..Dont have a WC but what about a WD45 or D17? I got both...

The only thing "in between" I found is pages dealing with is a homemade thresher either powered by hand or small engine..heres one:

http://sustainableseedsystems.wsu.ed...Threshing.html
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I bought one last year, mostly because i love older equiptment and they were thinking scrap yard with the one i bought. The person I bought it from used it for Brocolli seed and alfalfa seed. He stated it will even harvest corn.
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I bought one last year, mostly because i love older equiptment and they were thinking scrap yard with the one i bought. The person I bought it from used it for Brocolli seed and alfalfa seed. He stated it will even harvest corn.
Yeah they can do corn..sortof. Best done with the special corn header they made. However very hard to find one of those. Some guy have had success just using the existing header, but thats not optimal. Also, corn is rough on the rubber coated bars. Can use it as a sheller but cant overload it.
I would recommend a person use a cornpicker/hand pick and sheller for corn.
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Here ya go! Just came up this morning..... http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/grd/2006811291.html

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One showed up two days ago on Craiglook and is near where I live.
http://wichita.craigslist.org/grd/2003389068.html

$1400 is asking price.
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I have your solution geo!

http://www.reichhardt.com/us/products/mini-combine.html


Those All-Crops are always where Im not...
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These seed research combines produced near where I live are quite intriguing. Who wouldn't like to have one of them?

http://www.kincaidseedresearch.com/
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I was out of town for a few days, and saw that the thread came back to life!

I am very intrigued by the All Crop, and grow more interested in them every day. I really do believe those machines can fill a real niche in the market place today for the right farms.
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I was out of town for a few days, and saw that the thread came back to life!

I am very intrigued by the All Crop, and grow more interested in them every day. I really do believe those machines can fill a real niche in the market place today for the right farms.

Yes a niche machine for sure. For example I have to wild flower seed companies that use them, and a guy who harvests his own seed for his turf business. Then there is one guy who uses it for his heirloom grains business..
He has the big combine, but uses the allcrop for small fields and when it is too wet for the big machine.
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Epic thread dredge here. I found an all-crop 72 in fantastic shape with all the pieces, good paint and all sheet metal is straight at a consignment auction just a few miles from my place. I can't imagine it going for more than scrap price around here where everyone uses a twelve+ row corn head or equivalent grain table. I have 6 tillable acres and would like to possibly raise heritage wheat for direct to consumer sales or barley to use as feed for pigs and chickens on my little farm. What would be a reasonable price for a 72 in good shape? Based on my 10 minute once-over I wouldn't have any trouble turning the PTO on after greasing the million zerks!
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