GM Canola Found in the WILD

tinknal · #61 08/09/10, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Patt

Cause they only listen to the people buying them steak dinners and trips to Hawaii?

You accuse me of being snarky and rude and then accuse public officials of accepting bribes?

You have proof for this I assume?

Stephen in SOKY · #62 08/09/10, 06:21 PM

Has any HT poster ever been directly affected by pollen drift from any Monsanto product? Has any Monsanto product ever directly impacted your homesteading in any way?

Patt · #63 08/09/10, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tinknal

You accuse me of being snarky and rude and then accuse public officials of accepting bribes?

You have proof for this I assume?

You are joking right?

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Monsanto's luck with regulators held in 1983, when the federal Soil Conservation Service found PCBs in Choccolocco Creek, but took no action. In 1985, state authorities found PCB-tainted soils around Snow Creek, but a dispute over cleanup details lingered until a new attorney general named Donald Siegelman took office in 1988. In a letter that April, Monsanto's Anniston superintendent thanked Siegelman -- who is now the state's Democratic governor -- for addressing the Alabama Chemical Association, and meeting Monsanto's lobbyists for dinner. Then he got to the point: Monsanto wanted to go forward with its own cleanup plan, dredging just a few hundred yards of Snow Creek and its tributaries.

The company soon received approval to do just that.

http://www.mindfully.org/Industry/Mo...s-Anniston.htm

arabian knight · #64 08/09/10, 06:59 PM

What is the matter with a "lobbyist"? They are from all works of life, and from all companies involved in any governmental doings and happenings. They do serve for a reason, and that reason if not the government would "walk all over them" by legislating so many rules and regs. That it would be hard for any company to survive.
Case in point: No New nuclear power plants have been built in the uS for the last 30 because of the rules and regs that government puts on them it takes years and billions of dollars to build even one plant.
Which we should have in the number of 50 new plants around this country, but nope. Lets send our dollars for oil to our countries that hate us, and want to kill Americans. Instead of getting energy self sufficient.
All because the energy department did not have enough lobbyists to defeat the greenies.

tinknal · #65 08/09/10, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Patt

You are joking right?

http://www.mindfully.org/Industry/Mo...s-Anniston.htm

Hey, way to post a quote out of context (nice try). Here is the ENTIRE quote.

"Monsanto's luck with regulators held in 1983, when the federal Soil Conservation Service found PCBs in Choccolocco Creek, but took no action. In 1985, state authorities found PCB-tainted soils around Snow Creek, but a dispute over cleanup details lingered until a new attorney general named Donald Siegelman took office in 1988. In a letter that April, Monsanto's Anniston superintendent thanked Siegelman -- who is now the state's Democratic governor -- for addressing the Alabama Chemical Association, and meeting Monsanto's lobbyists for dinner. Then he got to the point: Monsanto wanted to go forward with its own cleanup plan, dredging just a few hundred yards of Snow Creek and its tributaries.

The company soon received approval to do just that.

A spokesman for Gov. Siegelman noted that in April 2000, he wrote to President Bill Clinton about Anniston's PCBs, pointing out "the severity of the situation" and requesting federal funding. But several state officials acknowledged that a dozen years earlier, Alabama should have tested a much larger area for PCBs before approving Monsanto's limited plan."

Patt · #66 08/09/10, 07:19 PM

Or maybe you would like their bribery charges?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4153635.stm

http://www.ethicalinvesting.com/monsanto/news/10009.htm

Patt · #67 08/09/10, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tinknal

Hey, way to post a quote out of context (nice try). Here is the ENTIRE quote.

"Monsanto's luck with regulators held in 1983, when the federal Soil Conservation Service found PCBs in Choccolocco Creek, but took no action. In 1985, state authorities found PCB-tainted soils around Snow Creek, but a dispute over cleanup details lingered until a new attorney general named Donald Siegelman took office in 1988. In a letter that April, Monsanto's Anniston superintendent thanked Siegelman -- who is now the state's Democratic governor -- for addressing the Alabama Chemical Association, and meeting Monsanto's lobbyists for dinner. Then he got to the point: Monsanto wanted to go forward with its own cleanup plan, dredging just a few hundred yards of Snow Creek and its tributaries.

The company soon received approval to do just that.

A spokesman for Gov. Siegelman noted that in April 2000, he wrote to President Bill Clinton about Anniston's PCBs, pointing out "the severity of the situation" and requesting federal funding. But several state officials acknowledged that a dozen years earlier, Alabama should have tested a much larger area for PCBs before approving Monsanto's limited plan."

And your point with the 2 extra sentences? They approved the plan in 1988 and 12 years later figured out it was a bad idea.....should have done more testing instead of being schmoozed into Monsanto's plan after that nice dinner.

Patt · #68 08/09/10, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by arabian knight

What is the matter with a "lobbyist"? They are from all works of life, and from all companies involved in any governmental doings and happenings. They do serve for a reason, and that reason if not the government would "walk all over them" by legislating so many rules and regs. That it would be hard for any company to survive.
Case in point: No New nuclear power plants have been built in the uS for the last 30 because of the rules and regs that government puts on them it takes years and billions of dollars to build even one plant.
Which we should have in the number of 50 new plants around this country, but nope. Lets send our dollars for oil to our countries that hate us, and want to kill Americans. Instead of getting energy self sufficient.
All because the energy department did not have enough lobbyists to defeat the greenies.

Because they have stolen your rights as an American citizen. Maybe you are happy to give up your voice but I am not and I do not have millions to pay to lobbyists to speak for me. Lobbying is bribery pure and simple.

Patt · #69 08/09/10, 07:26 PM

And another more recent bribery case:
http://www.wellsphere.com/organic-fo...bribery/822093

Patt · #70 08/09/10, 07:32 PM

Another interesting article on their bribery and manipulation, I actually learned some new stuff:
http://info-wars.org/2010/08/05/mons...on-and-deceit/

I will quit now though since we did wander from the OP.

SueMc · #71 08/09/10, 07:38 PM

I've never been able to figure out why so many other Countries don't want this crop technology or are unwilling to import GM crops. I also have read the argument that GM crops are predominantly livestock feed and not vegetable crops for human consumption. That assertion doesn't seem to be so:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8506047.stm

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/st...3093&secid=120

tinknal · #72 08/09/10, 07:42 PM

Patt, nice that you have revealed that this thread really isn't about a couple of canola plants.

tinknal · #73 08/09/10, 07:50 PM

Patt, none of these links are relative to your post at the top of page 2. All of those cases involve foreigners. None of them are your "elected officials."

Windy in Kansas · #74 08/09/10, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Patt

Because they have stolen your rights as an American citizen. Maybe you are happy to give up your voice but I am not and I do not have millions to pay to lobbyists to speak for me. Lobbying is bribery pure and simple.

Give up my voice? Lobbyists speak for me. I guess you can call me a thief and an evil person because I have paid union dues and belonged to unions that ultimately lobby legislators.

I also belong to web groups that lobby legislators, one is SEMA. They lobby for sensible laws for specialty and collector cars, etc.

I have also been a farmer and upon my behalf various farm groups such as Farm Bureau, Kansas Livestock Association, and other organizations and check-off dollars have been used for lobbying efforts on my behalf and of the American farmer in general. I'm sure that lobbyists on behalf of farmers will be used in an attempt to derail the EPA thoughts (so far) on limiting farm produced dust beyond what is reasonable.

On my behalf and others the city and county where I pay taxes have lobbied legislators for a variety of reasons.

Yes, I am an evil, wicked, and a nasty man as I continue to collectively lobby with others for many different things.

I don't know the lobbyists for the aforementioned causes/groups but I expect at least a few have been hired. Whether their actions have included meals, trips, etc. for legislators I don't know.

For anyone that doesn't know the work of lobbyists watching any number of movies dealing with public office might be an eye opener. I tend to think the Mr. Smith goes to Washington would be just one that is available.

Patt, good link and interesting reading on the Alabama PCB plant. Those were from 2001, are you aware of the results from the court cases mentioned?

Patt · #75 08/09/10, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tinknal

Patt, none of these links are relative to your post at the top of page 2. All of those cases involve foreigners. None of them are your "elected officials."

First one most certainly was the others just involved bribery in general. Would you like a list of their campaign contributions to Congress members involved in voting on issues pertaining to them? Or just the cost of the individual steak dinners?

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Political contributions
Monsanto gave $106,500 to federal candidates in the 05/06 election cycle through its political action committee (PAC) - 32% to Democrats, 68% to Republicans. [1]

In the 07/08 election cycle, Monsanto gave $186,250 to federal candidates - 42% to Democrats, 58% to Republicans. [2]

Thus far in the 09/10 election cycle, Monsanto has given $109,000 to federal candidates - 44% to Democrats, 56% to Republicans.[3]

Lobbying
The company spent $3,640,000 for lobbying in 2006. $680,000 was to outside lobbying firms with the remainder being spent using in-house lobbyists.[4]

The company spent $4,520,000 for lobbying in 2007 [5]; $8,831,120 in 2008 [6]; and $6,164,000 in 2009.[7]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...santo#Lobbying

Congressman Richard Pombo (R-CA)
http://www.health101.org/art_bribe_taking.htm

State Rep. Mike Talboy had two meals paid for by lobbyists- one for $30.39 by Monsanto's Duane Simpson
http://rturner229.blogspot.com/2009/...0-mark-in.html

Patt · #76 08/09/10, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Windy in Kansas

Give up my voice? Lobbyists speak for me. I guess you can call me a thief and an evil person because I have paid union dues and belonged to unions that ultimately lobby legislators.

I also belong to web groups that lobby legislators, one is SEMA. They lobby for sensible laws for specialty and collector cars, etc.

I have also been a farmer and upon my behalf various farm groups such as Farm Bureau, Kansas Livestock Association, and other organizations and check-off dollars have been used for lobbying efforts on my behalf and of the American farmer in general. I'm sure that lobbyists on behalf of farmers will be used in an attempt to derail the EPA thoughts (so far) on limiting farm produced dust beyond what is reasonable.

On my behalf and others the city and county where I pay taxes have lobbied legislators for a variety of reasons.

Yes, I am an evil, wicked, and a nasty man as I continue to collectively lobby with others for many different things.

I don't know the lobbyists for the aforementioned causes/groups but I expect at least a few have been hired. Whether their actions have included meals, trips, etc. for legislators I don't know.

For anyone that doesn't know the work of lobbyists watching any number of movies dealing with public office might be an eye opener. I tend to think the Mr. Smith goes to Washington would be just one that is available.

Patt, good link and interesting reading on the Alabama PCB plant. Those were from 2001, are you aware of the results from the court cases mentioned?

Umm I never said you were a thief, wicked, evil or nasty.....

I also think there is a difference between groups of citizens banding together to lobby for something vs. corporations paying literally billions to pay for lobbyists. You are using your voice as a voter in conjunction with other voters. Huge difference. I would still prefer that there be no lobbying at all but until that happens voters have to use any means necessary to get their voices heard.

Patt · #77 08/09/10, 09:43 PM

On the Anniston, AL case they had to pay $700 million in settlements:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/Toxic/monsanto_pcbs.cfm

That was a really, really horrible case too. They knew what they were doing and they covered it up for decades even with people dropping like flies from cancer and everything.

Heritagefarm · #78 08/09/10, 10:42 PM

If you want the whole case on PCBs, it's here:
http://www.chemicalindustryarchives....h/toxicity.asp
A couple are even "Confidential." Guess Monsanto didn't want Anniston to know for the couple decades they polluted Anniston.

Patt · #79 08/09/10, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

If you want the whole case on PCBs, it's here:
http://www.chemicalindustryarchives....h/toxicity.asp
A couple are even "Confidential." Guess Monsanto didn't want Anniston to know for the couple decades they polluted Anniston.

You know it's funny to me, if the only bad thing they had ever done was just what they did to the poor people in Anniston it would be enough to make me despise them.

Heritagefarm · #80 08/09/10, 11:02 PM

And yet they do so extraordinarily much more that that... Anniston's just the tip of the iceberg.
GM Canola Found in the WILD - Homesteading Questions