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08/06/10, 09:38 AM
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CrashTestRanch...
Just asking, not criticizing. Why would you leave guns and ammunition out in the open? In the house I live in the guns are in a gun safe and the ammunition is stored out of sight. Out of sight and in a locked cabinet make it less a temptation to the bad guys.
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08/06/10, 09:39 AM
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CTR: Get an old truck, keep it there - park it in different places when you leave. Put at least 2 different light timers on inside to go off at different times. ie: livingroom early, bedroom later with an overlap of time between.
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08/06/10, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by suitcase_sally
How do you procecute someone for stealing food, unless you catch them with the goods. Do you procecute everyone with a full belly? Or just the drunks with a full belly?
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I don't discriminate. I prosecute EVERYONE who BREAKS INTO MY PROPERTY and STEALS from me.
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08/06/10, 09:48 AM
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08/06/10, 09:58 AM
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I meant no offense by asking.
I may find myself in a position real soon where I have two properties, and I was innocently curious as to the circumstances surrounding their situation along with how they divide their priorities and time.
As I said, people are mean.
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08/06/10, 10:26 AM
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When we had the cabin in PA we never left anything of value between visits. Too many incidents of family coming in and taking what they wanted.
I agree with filing a police report at the very least. Clean the place back up and remove or secure everything of value.
Freaky about the gun set-up. That would make me paranoid.
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08/06/10, 10:27 AM
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Some one is going to come back for those guns, get them out of there, tighten things up, make it look like its lived in, leave a dog up there, something. I am the paranoid one, have been pushing the hub to be more careful, secure things, lock stuff down. People are getting desperate, they took food and booze this time and made a mess, it could be worlds worse next time. Can you have a neighbor check on it for you? I feel for you, we were robbed in this house before we moved in. It was a fixer-upper, and 100 miles north of where we were. We'd come up and work, and store stuff. So they got tools and collectables and items from my dad who had just passed away. That really hurt. We also had a neighbor right across the street who IS the neighborhood watch, and they got past him. Sorry this happened to you, its a horrible feeling.
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08/06/10, 10:38 AM
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There is an old guy who truck farms on Hwy160. He leaves his picked produce on a table and a metal box to put the payment for the veggies when he is not there. I was chatting with him the other day about hard times coming fast. He said it was already here, pointed to the fence that was bent over, and said someone had come in over the fence taken all the veggies and the little cash box too.
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08/06/10, 10:59 AM
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"Jack" is not food. I would call the sheriff and prosecute to the full extent of the law. Make 'em walk the plank.
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08/06/10, 11:10 AM
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i would call the cops..could be someone was using your cabin as a hideout..and might be back.
a vacant home just beyond our woods was being used as a hideout for 2 escaped murderers, the cops caught them in the middle of the night one night after they stole food from a nearby housetrailer
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08/06/10, 11:13 AM
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how about camping out there w/o it being obvious and see what happens. i seriously believe the thought of those other items will be enough to make them return w more serious intentions.
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08/06/10, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by suitcase_sally
 
WHY would you demand an answer to such a question? It's really not your concern.
I have three places. I would be mortified if you asked me to explain why.
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LOL WHY What nasty thing are you doing that demands THREE places? Are you making meth in one while the other two cool down?  T
HE SMELL FROM THE BODIES GETS TOO AWFULL FOR A WHILE AND YOU HAVE TO MAVE TO NEW BURYING GROUNDS? 
Or is it the animals you torture wont come around after a while and you have to move on? 
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.LOL Or I guess it could just be that someone gave them to you?
What could be so mortifing about having 3 places.
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08/06/10, 12:31 PM
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They will be back. You might want to set up a couple of game cameras. One aimed at the road so you get their vehicle and license plate number. Another aimed at the house that will get them, their faces, and whatever they are stealing.
You might also want to be sure to photograph all of your valuables, and complete a list of make model and serial numbers.
If you intend to leave guns there, you might want to get a good gun safe and bolt it to the floor.
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08/06/10, 12:31 PM
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My 'advice is to prosecute if you do find out who did this. When my son was in Iraq someone broke in his house while wife was working and stole his major collection of guns and swords. After reporting theft to the sheriff with the serial numbers/discriptions of everything the FBI actually showed up! If any of you have alot of weapons you need to have photos and all pertinent facts about each one ---they actually located some of the items in a pawn shop. If any of the weapons had been used in a crime it could mean trouble proving you owned them legally. Think he now has even more guns but all carefully indexed with a copy with us also. DEE who says any vacant property around here will soon be ripped off and turned into a meth lab............
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08/06/10, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Navotifarm
Well, go with your gut! Something is very wrong. I'm glad your gun was still there but my gut says they'll be back and it's somebody that knows you. Don't be a softy and make excuses for them! Also with an almost nonexistent police force, there won't be a pro-active proscecutor, either. It's up to you to protect your stuff. This was the handwriting on the wall for you. Now the big question is, what do you have and how can you protect it?
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We don't know anyone up there, we purchased the property last year and have been working it off and on as the money comes in.
Barbed wire and locked doors didn't stop them.
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08/06/10, 01:13 PM
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I think it was either teens partying and "joy smashing" as someone else said or local thugs who are too lazy to work but smart enough to stay out of jail. I think they ransacked everything because they were looking for cash money. Pretty hard to prove food and cash have been stolen from you, but all the weapons, electronics, etc., have serial numbers and could be easily identified and connected to the owner. The chances of catching who did it this time are pretty slim, however, you still need to file a police report just to get it on record that there's a problem.
However, I also agree that they might brag about it to others who wouldn't have any scruples about stealing your more valuable stuff. If you don't have it already, take pictures and record serial numbers of everything valuable and store it somewhere other than in that house. Get some game cameras and maybe you'll catch good enough pictures to prosecute next time. As someone else said, camp out where you can't be seen from the house or driveway, but you can see them. Keep a spotlight so you can light them up if they come and take pictures...or if you're confident enough in your own ability, stop them with a gun, call the police and hold them at citizen's arrest until they get there. Someone just did this on the prepping board and apprehended the guys who'd been breaking in and stealing. Of course, he's an ex-marine and had two other buddies with him, but they caught four thieves that way.
Lights and even TV or radio on timers at different times is a good idea. On the prepping board, someone had some good suggestions a while back to make people think twice about whether anyone was there. He mentioned leaving large sized muddy work boots on the front porch and leave a big dog bowl and a chain with a big collar (like for a Rottweiler or something, lol) like he's been let off the chain and could be anywhere outside or inside, things like that. I can't remember the rest exactly, but he said to deliberately "trash up the yard" with old junk metal, wood, etc., make it look like you're really poor so they'll think you don't have anything worth stealing.
Of course, if these people already know the place and know you're far away nothing may help but getting pictures to prove it was them. Sorry for your problems and good luck!
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08/06/10, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mama Crow
Hello Crash Test.
I am confused ... could you please explain the reason behind having two seperate properties?
I am sad, and sorry, this happened to you ... amazing they didn't take more, and wouldn't be surprised if they came back to get more. Did you load up what you could to take back with you?
People are so mean.

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We own property down in the city, which we cannot "homestead". The property up north is our nest egg bought last year from some hippies. We work it as money comes in to get it functioning.
I brought back the weapons, don't need bad folks with guns.
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08/06/10, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Texasdirtdigger
My gut says they will be back, as well.
I'm so sorry.....desperation may be starting to raise it's ugly head. OR, it could just be thugs or punks.
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Our thoughts too. Gonna start spending more time up there, but money is tight, so it makes it difficult.
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08/06/10, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin Ann
Mama Crow, I don't know what Crash Test's reason for 2 places is, but we have 2 places. A house in town that is the main home while we finish the house out at the farm 80 miles away. We have full cooking setups in both places.
given his state is Arizona, I'd guess it's something like house in the city for working during the week, and a cabin up in the mountain area for hunting (guns, food, beer, JackD. etc.) Of course it could also be that he was visiting his GF in town.
CrashTestRanch, I, too, think "kids" with this one. You're really lucky the guns didn't go walk-about. Since they didn't take anything they can really sell for $$ it may well be hard to find them unless you can enlist the help of the state police somehow.
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We are setting up the property up north for homesteading, but have to have a place in town as money is tight. There are a lot of properties around us that are just hunting cabins/properties. We also run dual kitchen setups and bunks at both.
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08/06/10, 01:22 PM
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Best way I have seen to deal with it is leave nothing there for someone to steal, nothing of value, nothing to ransack. Maybe a few dry goods or whatever maybe a bottle of booze if that.
Leave the place where they don't have to smash things to get in and see that there's nothing there of value. Or maybe a lost hunter, illegal coming through whatever doesn't have to break things to borrow the roof for a night.
There is nothing you can really do to protect rural property if you are not there most of the time.
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