Found this.....made me shake my head....some people are idiots.
 

I was looking for a good link to send my mom about cholesterol and eggs and how dietary cholesterol does not have much effect on blood cholesterol. I came across this site and started reading. It's sad how detatched some people are from animals and the way nature works.

Excerpt from:
http://www.biblelife.org/eggs.htm

Myths, Distortions, and Lies About Free-Range, Cage-Free, Organic Eggs

The myth that "free-range" chicken eggs are more healthy is related to the beef scam concerning Omega-3 fatty acids. The plea to eat eggs only from "free-range" chickens is a scam. Keeping chickens and turkeys in cages is perfectly fine. Chickens and turkeys must be the dumbest birds in the world, as those who have raised them can attest. Commercial "free-range" chickens may be given an access to an outside area, but it is usually nothing but barren dirt where they rarely go. The idea they are walking around in the grass eating insects is simple ignorance. When given the chance to be free, they will return to their cages. Chickens would certainly stop laying eggs if the cage caused them to be under stress, but they lay eggs even more frequently. The Omega-3 egg is also a scam. Oh, certainly a tiny bit more Omega-3 fatty acids could be in the eggs of chickens fed salmon scraps, but most likely the producer is cheating. Eggs should not be depended upon as your source for Omega-3 fats because all eggs are inadequate in Omega-3 fats. It is much less expensive to buy regular eggs and eat some cold water fish or take cod liver oil as mentioned below. The comments about "free-range" chickens below were sent in by a reader after visiting a farm that sold "free-range" chicken eggs. No grass or bugs were seen on the concrete floors.

"I agree with you the "free range" idea is bunk. I have been to a "free range" farm. It consisted of huge barns of chickens (10,000 per barn) that were meandering across concrete floors. That's what free range means here in New England."

Cows are about as dumb as chickens. A cow kept in a beautiful grassy pasture will lie down in its own excrement. Free-range chickens in the same pasture will scratch and pick in the excrement for lunch. Animals do not have human emotions or concerns because they are stupid animals.

Smells like PETA, doesn't it?

Peg

Wow, so much mis-information in such a small space. Looking at their website I would worry about the other things they are saying too on other topis (they are supposedly ministers - I wonder how they became ministers, divinity school or fake degree). They seem like very opinionated people with little common sense or knowledge.

That is so sad! I do wish they would change their website name though, pretty upsetting to see Bible in connection with such a load of lies and disinformation!

Healthier Eggs
 

Maybe they should read this article from Mother Earth News. Tests have proven that free range chicken eggs are much healthier then eggs from hens kept in confinement and feed the same foods every day. I know just looking at the color of the yolks (dark orange) in my eggs that there is more beta carotene!

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Natur...ange-Eggs.aspx

You buy it, you own it! Other quotes from the website.....:

"The author of this web page enjoys baked chicken by drinking a half cup of melted chicken fat from the bottom of the baking pan."



"MEDICAL DISCLAIMER: All information is intended for your general knowledge only and is not a substitute for medical advice or treatment for specific medical conditions. You should seek prompt medical care for any specific health issues and consult your physician before starting a new fitness or nutrition regimen. The information contained in this online site and email is presented in summary form only and intended to provide broad consumer understanding and knowledge of dietary supplements. The information should not be considered complete and should not be used in place of a visit, call, consultation or advice of your physician or other health care provider. We do not recommend the self-management of health problems. Information obtained by using our services is not exhaustive and does not cover all diseases, ailments, physical conditions or their treatment. Should you have any health care related questions, please call or see your physician or other health care provider promptly. You should never disregard medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have read here. We strongly suggest you select a physician who is knowledgeable and supportive of the low-carbohydrate diet. Many of the physicians listed on this page have health clinics."

What was it P.T. Barnum said? Oh yes, "A fool is born every minute."

Key word in the disclaimer---DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS--and buried in the links: http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/affiliate.html

Gee, they got something to sell--who wouldda guessed?

geo

the "healthier" nutrition of the eggs between free range(which I'm assuming you mean truly free range, they can get all the bugs and greens they want) and caged chicken is the chicken's DIET. Feed the caged chickens greens, bugs, fruit rinds, etc etc, and they pop out nice eggs too.

Just saying the DIET is the factor in what is in the EGG. The rest--fresh air, activity, more real estate, dustbaths etc goes to support the HEALTH and vigor of the chicken's BODY.

Same ol garbage in garbage out.

I think the article should clear up the difference between mass produced "free range" and your average homestead free range. You home chicken farmer that free ranges is not out adding coloring to their eggs to make them brown....etc.

Cant get the 5 mins back :grump:

I don't get why comment chickens are dumber than sticks(which they aren't)--what does that matter? Their Omega-3 thing has some merit though, I think it's just better to get stuff like that from foods that naturally HAVE that nutrient in abundance--ie omega 3s in fish, nuts, olive oil--instead of pumping up a product to have more(which I personally think makes it inferior when you "manufacture" stuff like that). Let the egg do what it does best naturally--awesome source of protein and certain vitamins(and I'm NOT saying don't feed your fish scraps to your chickens, yes feed it to them!). And eat your fish and nuts!

(PS< not trying to defend the website, just saying the gist of what they're saying isn't that off).

While I do think the poster is ignorant in some regards , he does make some good points. Commercial "free range" IS for the most part just an advertising gimmick and so are the Omega-3 claims.

Some of the most amusing claims are those advertising chicken or eggs claiming a "free range all vegetable" diet. To be truely free range the diet couldn't be vegetarian. I agree that cows will lay in poop, and chickens will eat from it, but the posters seeming disgust at this is just plain stupid.

You know, as much as I love the internet and what it offers, sites that spew crap such as that one just cook my candy! While a lot of people will use good common sense while reading posts such as those, a lot more will take it as gospel.

Truly sad.

As are a lot (but not all) of claims for "organic", "all natural", and "green".

I mean, if someone thought they could add an additional 25 - 30% markup to their product simply by adding one of those descriptors and were so inclined, it would be tempting, don't you think? I mean, who "polices" such things and what would be the real world consequences (if any) if they got caught?

Absolutely, I picked those terms because those are the ones the author chose to use.

The only term that I really care about is "sustainable" and I doubt any government agency could come up with loophole proof standards so it is up to the individual to inform themself.

USDA nails them and fines the doo doo out of them. :) It does happen, they do test stuff.

That's the problem with the "Free range" ads. Anyone can have "free range" chickens - "free range" simply means not being in a cage. A commercial farmer having 10,000 hens living crammed in a building could advertise "free range" because they aren't in a cage. The same farmer could have a concrete area fenced in that the chickens can get to and claim "free range".

These people probably did visit a "free range" commercial farm and found those conditions. But "our" - the people here on this forum - thinking of free range means running around outside - either in an enclosed pen or just having free reign of the area.

Of course, their claims chickens would "rather be" IN cages is crazy, but then . . . . what do you really expect?

I'm sorry I don't know a thing about "biblelife.org" but here is a link to an article Mother Earth News had a few years ago, about the health benefits of free range eggs.


http://www.motherearthnews.com/Real-...on.aspx?page=2

The person who wrote the excerpt you posted must be an idiot. Humans always set a value on the intelligence of animals based on a humans perspective. A dog will love the human that has just kicked him....not because he is stupid....but because that's a dogs way, they are more forgiving than humans. A horse will return to a burning stall...not because he is stupid...but because he is a horse, and the familiarity of his stall is the comfort he is needing. And BTW turkeys will not look at the sky and drown when it rains. My turkeys jump up into thier house when it rains!

If we want to discuss intelligence in the human and animal world (as these folks in your excerpt would like to) answer a question? What is the only animal that commits war?

Hmmm, virtually the same article from 03/2009 and 05/2007 Mother Earth News. I was pretty sure they were rehashing some articles. well here's my proof ; )

That's kind of what I thought. The domain name is what hit me the hardest, I think. No matter what you believe about nutrition (and I think they are somewhat going in the right direction with the labeling......such as "cage free" and what it really means) I can't understand someone who is supposedly representing a religious point of view having so much disrespect for one of God's creatures. And, I'm not even a religious person.

I think the reason this person didn't go into the differences between commercial "cage free" and "organic" and actual farm raised, locally produced food.....is because they don't feel any empathy for the animals themselves. So, to them it really doesn't matter. It's of no value. This disconnect is what really worries me about society. I mean REALLY worries me.

On a side note......this person should visit any of us with chickens to find out that they will pace the fence and beg to be let out to roam and scratch and pick at their leisure. The only time mine head in is to lay or at night (which is a smart thing). As far as cows laying in their poop.....hey....it's herbivore poop....the best kind!

wyld thang - I agree, it's all in the diet. I do tend to think of free range as mine are-out running around but know that the store eggs labeled "free range" are probably just chickens that have some access to a penned in dirt area or maybe not even dirt. Can they call the chickens in large building that run around on the floor free range? Not sure what the requirements are for calling your eggs free range and I guess that is part of the problem. Saw free range eggs at Wal-Mart for $4 something a dozen! Ouch! Apparently I am under-selling myself by offering them for $1 dozen to friends and acquaintances Of course I am really just trying to cover some of the supplemental feed costs which are low in the summer since they run lose during the day. On a side note I have been threatening my chickens that I am going to pen them up if they don't stop digging up my flower bed! LOL! Guess I need to fence the flower bed instead of the chickens!

oh yeah
 

Oh, and I would also like to admit that in reading through the rest of their Bible Life Healing Ministries articles......this is one of those times when I wish I was a hacker. :viking:

LOL! I have to wonder just how big of a fine it would take to flush said doo doo out of one's system!

:D

The people who think that probably raise them in crowded cages.

They aren't the brightest animals in the barnyard, but they're nowhere nearly as dumb as their reputation.

And they sure are fun. Who cares if they're not on a par with Border Collies when you have entertainment like this: http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/sho...d.php?t=360018

Not a bit. PETA doesn't want people to own chickens, PERIOD.

Big difference between the definitions of "free range" and actual free range birds. The USDA defines free range as having some access to fresh air (an open window or door) and not confined to a cage. Even my birds were not truly "free range" by most poultry owners definitions since they ate their pen down to dirt. I did feed my birds grass and got the most beautiful orange yellow yolks you can imagine. I even fed alfalfa pellets with their feed in early spring before the grass was green. There is a huge difference in the eggs based on the diet of the bird producing it. Feed the bird a better diet and you get a better product.

Pastured birds produce the best eggs.

IMO, this is just somebody who wants to get a lot of hits on their web site.

It would have to have a religioius taint.

Too bad I can't get back the 5 minutes of life wasted, reading his/her nonsense.

some really excellent information for your family would be the film FATHEAD and the book Good Calorie Bad Calories..by Gary Taubes..they really explain this entire subject very well and give the science behind it..

got me eating differently for sure..i have eggs every day now

Thanks! I'll check those out. I'm in a bodybuilding contest right now and I'm eating eggs daily. My family is horrified. They are very old school....say 80's ....in their nutrition. Unfortunately, I was raised on trans fat margarine with the thinking that it is better for you than real butter. They don't really understand that when you buy the low-fat or fat-free products....the fat has to be replaced with something and it's not usually a good something. I try to go for the least processed and most natural foods and if you have to moderate you have to moderate.

There are a lot more eggs being marketed as "cage free' than there are "free range". Where I used to practice, in northern NY state, the local egg corp. is buying/leasing all the free stall barns from failed dairy farms and paying the farmers to raise cage free eggs. The chickens probably prefer roaming the concrete barn to being crammed in a cage, but the eggs are no different than what caged layers produce.

A few chickens roaming the yard are going to have a better diet and produce brighter colored yolks than caged birds.
Chickens with access to a baren yard, fed the same food as caged birds will produce the same eggs.
He is correct, cows will lay down in their own manure and chickens will pick the corn out of cow manure.
Free range chickens are not being raised the way the consumer believes they are. 10,000 fast growing fryers, in a building with access to a fenced outside area, may never venture far from the feed that is kept inside the building. They can still be called free-range. That is vastly different from what we think of free range, down on the homestead. Birds raised that way will be similar to other birds in cages.
He's also partly correct, animals don't have human emotions. I'm sure someone has done a study to figure the IQ of farm animals. I'm going to guess not that high. If my chickens belonged to Mensa, OK, but that's not likely.

I sure would be interested in how the free range all vegetarian diet works.
Either they have eliminated all insects and animals in the range of the chickens or some one has spent unlimited time and work teaching chickens not to eat a bug.
Wonder how one would teach a chicken to be a vegetarian?

Indoctrination from a very young age, prolly while still in the egg. Ingrid Newkirk can fill you in on the details. :D

Chickens loose in a building without access to the outdoors are not free range. They're cage free. Chickens lose in a building with access to the outdoors are legally called free range even if they never step outside. That little door is the difference between two legal definitions.

That's why it is really important to buy your food from an actual Farmer you can meet and talk to and maybe even visit their farm. I can buy free range chicken and eggs from local farmers that have chickens that actually roam around in pastures eating grass and bugs. I agree that the legal definition for the stuff in the grocery store is messed up and needs to be fixed but that doesn't mean you can't find the real thing. :)

Chickens may not have "human" emotions, we should probably be thankful since they don't have wars or try to take over the world but they do have needs and wants and they are living, breathing, flesh and blood. They feel pain, they can be content or miserable. We lose a part of our humanity when we treat them like little machines and abuse them and ignore their needs all in our incessant chase of the almighty dollar.

Maybe this is what happens when the only book one reads is the bible??

There were some good points there, however that's one of the worst reports I've seen. Only someone who already agree with them is going to agree... But, actually, the free-range egg thing from the store really is bogus. I got a carton of those eggs; just as pale as the rest of them. OUR chickens free-range; orange yolks, the very definition of the word, orange. The organic eggs tasted just as bad as the rest. It's a down-right lie, free-range is (the store definition, which apparently doesn't exist).

I'd be surprised if those people ever cracked open the Bible. Those of us who have studied it thoroughly from cover to cover tend to be a little wiser and a little less avaricious.

If I wanted omega-3 I would take a pill.

What I WANT are eggs from a chicken that is able to walk. Those battery hens cannot take a step!

You crack me up! (Pun intended)

I agree on the whole free range vs. cage free vs. battery raised deal. I'm just glad all my eggs come from a happy bunch of chickens, ducks and geese that roam my farm and yard. At 6:00 the whole gang is waiting by the gate to go in thier pens and have crumbled cornbread for treats! Why can't we treat all our animals humanely?

:clap:

My feelings exactly!

My chickens might not be the brightest critters but they love their human momma and they always greet me enthusiastically...something my human children don't always do!