Wanted: SCOFFLAWS!!!!!

Off topic, but dh and I spent about a year doing all sorts of research on Alaska. I read every website I thought pertinent, we bought several books, we talked to people who had lived in various places around Alaska. I combed chambers of commerce for demographics, I called and spoke to various state agencies regarding taxes, fees, requirements, benefits, restrictions, cost of living, etc etc etc. Unfortunately, we came to the conclusion that we would have to have significant savings in order to move there, because jobs are apparently so tight and most seem to be service industry oriented that we might be a long time without income. We could possibly sell what we have here and buy a small parcel of land there and theoretically have money to live on for a while, but again, with the economy diving, we felt we couldn't do it. What if we got there and dh couldnt' find a job? Or me for that matter? I have no doubt locals would be hired before newcomers. Some towns are small enough that it is obvious who the newcomers would be. Certainly, the economic benefits of living in Alaska must be wonderful. I also know the overall cost of living is higher there. I just don't think we could do it.

Going on........"That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

Then it seems to me that to have liberty and the pursuit of happiness, we will have to co-operate with other 'men' who have formed the government. By voting, by going to meetings, signing petitions, supporting our government by paying our fair share of our taxes--giving our consent, and expresing our dissent, whenever necessary. Doing what I want to, on my own property, is something we each do within the law we all have to abide by until it gets changed or modified.

Granted, everything I do isn't always within the law. But I've never gotten very far with elected or appointed officials with guns a blazin', either.

geo

Its very expensive JuliaAnn but employment is pretty good in urban areas and if you have some sort of useful skill (mechanic, truck driver, plumber, electrician, etc.) you can do okay just about anywhere. You have to know what your getting into though and I generally wouldnt recommend a married couple moving there without secured employment. Few people in Alaska are actually from there so being an "outsider" isnt much of a problem. My wife and I made enough money there we were able to buy thie farm we own now, retire and not have to work again at the age of 50. It all depends on how hard you work, how much you control your spending while there and what your expectations are.

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geo I won't disagree with you at all on the law and following it, though the line I pointed out is self explanatory

un·al·ien·a·ble
Not to be separated, given away, or taken away

and a short and included list of rights being Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

as long as you do not infringe on another's rights then the law has no place infringing upon yours, which many of us know that many do. and if you interpret things in a very strict manner and don't reach or try to adulterate or perverse the true meaning to your own ends, like many a politician will. then you cant help but agree that many of the laws on the books are in violation of not only the statement I quote but many other constitutional rational and Ideals.


well I do not advocate breaking the laws, I do urge changing those that serve no purpose but to further a few or those that do infringe on the rights of another.

I am all for one law for all, which is not the case. there are those that are blatantly allowed to thumb their nose at the rest of us, well others are crucified for the slightest violation or even a wrongful interpretation of a law. interpretations that really have no real bearing on the intent or nature of the law and all it is then is a case of bulling and show of power and in our courts today its all about money and not justice.

those with the money will skirt justice and those with out will not receive it. there are always exceptions but this seems to be the hard and fast way of things.

and the more glutted the law books become the easier it is to become a criminal.

I've heard it said before and bears repeating
"we have three boxes in this country the soapbox,the ballot box and the ammo box." in the course of things that's the way it should go. when they relive us of the first two there is no other option but for the third..

Okay, well, by scofflaws (what a Alice called me) isn't really what I am nor what I was talking about here. I think Palani restated best what I was trying to say when she said "Your best bet to procuring shelter without government interference is to stay out of commerce. You don't do this by demanding greenbacks. Instead, a contract for $1 (silver of the 90% persuasion) and ovc (other valuable consideration ... could be land valued by you at $5) in exchange for construction of shelter (not a house or residence) might get one out of the permit arena by being dollar wise below a threshold for permits established by the county zoning commission."
EXCEPT I am not thinking of having shelter without government interference or not built to Code. What I am thinking of is what Palani describes as "ov, other valuable consideration."
For example, I have the book by Rob Roy on how to build a cordwood octagonal small house. What would be a possibility would be for me to have the land and materials, have Rob Roy come down and put on a cordwood building seminar, people from all over the country pay big bucks to come learn how to build a cordwood house by building mine. Rob Roy gets the money from the participants, the participants learn how to go home and build their own homes (to code) and I get the home I always wanted.
Or forget the home construction. What about a modified WOOFF deal? people on this forum pick up and move from one side of the country to the other. I did that myself several times in my younger days. But if you are going to choose a place where you plan to settle for the rest of your life, it is prudent to live there first, right? Have a base camp from which you foray out into the wider spaces to see just how hospitable or fertile or affordable they may be, right?
I actually proposed this concept earlier in my surrogate heir musings. At my age, I do not want to do a conventional sale and finance it myself because I will croak before all the proceeds come zeroing in. I do not think I would have to worry about capital gains taxes if I bartered some of my land, would I? Or gave it away for "other valuable consideration"?Actually, I got my land by barter so that's a whole can of worms I haven't given much thought to.
Anyway, I need $8,000 for my taxes so if 80 people came and stayed one month and paid me $100 (and I took that money down is separate trips to the tax office giggle), that would solve my (immediate) problem. Or if eight people came and paid $1,000 each to stay for a year. Or four people came and paid nothing but cleared up the mess the loggers made and constructed little camper sheds and planted gardens and then rented them out for weekends at $250 a day and split the proceeds with me, or ......
Well, it isn't that I want to break any laws, it's just that I am looking for a way to comply with some of them, starting with paying the overdue taxes!!!! So that's not being a scofflaw. By scofflaw I have a different interpretation than Alice does. I mean a good person who is CREATIVE and creates win-win arrangements within the law(s).
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I sent you a message. Check your PM folder.

You still have to pay taxes, even if you barter. You can't get out of it. I know this because of a situation I got in trading fencing work for the lease on 100 acres.

You might want to talk about your ideas with a tax attorney.

Anything substantial and especially habitable that you build is still going to have to be up to code, and you will have to find out for your specific location if they allow the type of construction you are looking at, whether it is cordwood or other.

I understand your need to solve the tax problem, but I don't think any strangers are going to move onto your land and build cabins for you. I don't think you could rent said cabins for $250 a day.

I regret that you've arrived at this point with so many dreams and such frustration on making them come true. <<HUGGS>>
What's a WOOFF?

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