A cheap and reliable food supply

JuliaAnn · #**101** 07/06/10, 05:20 PM

"" I didn't see myself or anyone else here in your snarky monologue"", yet you said back on page 2:
"""I can say is I hope you have no children or grandchildren"""

Pretty darn snarky, isn't it? Oh, but aren't you Patt?

""you didn't spend much time actually listening to what we were saying"""

I didn't? Proof of this, please? I know, speaking for myself, I can't read people's minds, only their words.

WildThang, THANK YOU for making some very good points; " and I'm willing to bet the actual nutrition isn't all that different neither."" Seriously, sometimes when I read various places how if it's not organic, there is little if any 'nutrition' in something. Baloney. That's throwing the baby out with the bath water. Thank you for putting it clearly.

Also, you said ""You can fill those people with organic fresh produce and meat at the same amounts they are used to eating(I might add...), and they will still be fat and in bad health."" Oh, I know this firsthand, from two of my teenage nephews. My SIL has a colostomy and they must eat very healthy diets with minimal fats. They eat good, balanced meals, no fatty or sugary snacks. The whole family participates out of respect for my SIL. But those boys are still VERY overweight, and are physically weak and have no endurance at all. They are 12 and 14 respectively, one is I think 5'4" and the other 5'6" and they are both over 245 lb. They eat healthy, but they sit and do nothing but watch tv, play video games, and play on the computer.

Also:hammering people(who weren't concerned about there being a problem...) on being fat and unhealthy just chases them to their twinkies and Mountain Dew.""

THAT is the kind of decency we need. Thank you.

Lazy J · #**102** 07/06/10, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JuliaAnn

They are 12 and 14 respectively, one is I think 5'4" and the other 5'6" and they are both over 245 lb. They eat healthy, but they sit and do nothing but watch tv, play video games, and play on the computer.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!

Food is the easy target to blame for the Obesity problem. If we place the balme at the sedentary lifestyle many in the US have we could offend someone. Sitting on the couch is the problem, not the food. Too much intake, with little or no output equals OBESITY.

We need less food intake and more activity in the USA and the rest of the Frist World.

Jim

oneokie · #**103** 07/06/10, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wyld thang

hiding your light under a bushel(bush? basket?).

MORE COWBELL you want to feed your fever.

Bushel basket.

COWBELL? Ice Cream? If so, yumm.

KeithBC · #**104** 07/06/10, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by texican

Amazing, that no one answered a very simple question, a counterpoint to the OP's question... mine was "So, logically, if you dislike the concept of cheap and reliable, then you are for expensive and unreliable."

Not so amazing, actually, considering that (A) it wasn't a question, and (B) your conclusion does not logically follow from your premise.

Cheap and expensive are extremes, with many shades of gray between them, as are reliable and unreliable. Even if you make each one a binary choice, there are four possible combinations. Rejecting one of them leaves three other possibilities, not one.

wyld thang · #**105** 07/06/10, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by oneokie

Bushel basket.

COWBELL? Ice Cream? If so, yumm.

ice cream is good.

MORE COWBELL
http://www.funnyhub.com/videos/pages...e-cowbell.html

Patt · #**106** 07/06/10, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by oneokie

The article that this link brings up is based on junk science.

How in this wide world is a 20 year study published in a peer reviewed journal junk science???? (Nature 1999)

Patt · #**107** 07/06/10, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JuliaAnn

"" I didn't see myself or anyone else here in your snarky monologue"", yet you said back on page 2:
"""I can say is I hope you have no children or grandchildren"""

Pretty darn snarky, isn't it? Oh, but aren't you Patt?

""you didn't spend much time actually listening to what we were saying"""

I didn't? Proof of this, please? I know, speaking for myself, I can't read people's minds, only their words.
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Oh please thank you for cutting my quote off mid-sentence! At least have the common curtesy to post what I actually said which was:

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Originally Posted by Patt

All I can say is I hope you have no children or grandchildren you are feeding that crap to because it is NOT food!

I do hope she is not feeding nothing but cheap junk to her kids and grandkids if she has any. That is not snark it is concern.

I did point it out to you and I am not going to type it twice. I am not going to going through your self righteous rant sentence by sentence and show you where we said the opposite of what you painted us as thinking.

arabian knight · #**108** 07/06/10, 06:59 PM

Geesh I was driving around and all of a sudden I was in a town and bingo Mickey D's was staring me in the face. I found myself turing in a getting a McDouble, small order of fries and a small coke. Nothing at all wrong with that in my book. I did not order a 1/4 pounder, I did not order a large fry, nor did i order a large Coke.
So there you have a nice belly filling meal that was satisfying and yet did not pig out either. if more people with use THAT kind of sense when ordering fast food there would NOT be this discussion on fast food is bad for ya.

forfreedom · #**109** 07/06/10, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

All of these problems we see right now can be solved, partly by buying locally, and partly, by growing stuff yourself and trading stuff. Less gas is spent by buying locally, it did not take prodigious amounts of chemical fertilizers and pesticides, and are thus far healthier for you. Just by having a garden, a small one even, we can all make a difference.

I am reading this as I'm eating my dinner of organically (my own) grown rooster and organic salad from the garden with sour cream for dressing. Not one single "petroleum" molecule in my dinner. Cheap? A package of roma tomato seeds cost me a $1. We ate tomates this season like there is no tomorrow, chickens had some and I canned a few. It's a priority issue, and education, not necessity. No one needs to eat junk from the box, even in a city. BTW, we are only on an acre, no real farm here.

**ladycat** · #**110** 07/06/10, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by forfreedom

I am reading this as I'm eating my dinner of organically (my own) grown rooster and organic salad from the garden with sour cream for dressing. Not one single "petroleum" molecule in my dinner. Cheap? A package of roma tomato seeds cost me a $1. We ate tomates this season like there is no tomorrow, chickens had some and I canned a few. It's a priority issue, and education, not necessity. No one needs to eat junk from the box, even in a city. BTW, we are only on an acre, no real farm here.

I'm eating too.

Nothing organic in this particular meal, but the tomato is Arkansas field grown, and the cucumber is from my niece's garden (grown w/o chemicals). The french bread is whole-grain.

A good, inexpensive, wholesome meal. And tastes good, too.

arabian knight · #**111** 07/06/10, 07:34 PM

That is all fine and dandy. But sometimes like tonight I wanted Somebody Else to do the cooking. Not ME.
Even though I have my freezer filled with a steer i raised myself without the use of chemicals or drugs of any link in the feed.
That way it will just last longer, if I once in awhile I Eat Out. period.

wyld thang · #**112** 07/06/10, 07:36 PM

More cowbell

**ladycat** · #**113** 07/06/10, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by arabian knight

That is all fine and dandy. But sometimes like tonight I wanted Somebody Else to do the cooking. Not ME.

Nothing wrong with that. There are times when I throw a pizza in the oven or open a can of soup or chili.

arabian knight · #**114** 07/06/10, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ladycat

Nothing wrong with that. There are times when I throw a pizza in the oven or open a can of soup or chili.

True, and being single, by golly, sometimes I just don't want to cook.
But come this winter. and watching football on Sundays,, I will have a nice roast in the crock pot all from my steer and that will be Yummy for sure.

oneokie · #**115** 07/06/10, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Patt

How in this wide world is a 20 year study published in a peer reviewed journal junk science???? (Nature 1999)

I went to that site and rummaged around trying to find the graphics that are mentioned as showing areas that will experience drought conditions in the 10 years following the publishing of that article. Only thing I found was a link to subscribe.

What I did conclude from reading the article is that it is just another rant against Monsanto and their GMO.

When it comes to stuff like that, I am very skeptical. Show me how that conclusion was arrived at, or it is junk. Just because someone has PhD after their name and have been published does not carry any weight with me.

arabian knight · #**116** 07/06/10, 08:06 PM

True as it has to be side by side comparing the two. Not one plot down the road and another one a ways away as rain, sunlight, soil conditions, there is way too many variables that play into any study like this done several years ago.

Patt · #**117** 07/06/10, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by arabian knight

Geesh I was driving around and all of a sudden I was in a town and bingo Mickey D's was staring me in the face. I found myself turing in a getting a McDouble, small order of fries and a small coke. Nothing at all wrong with that in my book. I did not order a 1/4 pounder, I did not order a large fry, nor did i order a large Coke.
So there you have a nice belly filling meal that was satisfying and yet did not pig out either. if more people with use THAT kind of sense when ordering fast food there would NOT be this discussion on fast food is bad for ya.

Um let's see you just ate a meal consisting of corn, sugar and fat.....not really healthy I am afraid!

arabian knight · #**118** 07/06/10, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Patt

Um let's see you just ate a meal consisting of corn, sugar and fat.....not really healthy I am afraid!

So?? My choice, i still live in a free World. And right now I am chewing tobacco. So??? My choice.
At least it is still free at this point in time unless the government gets their way and takes the choices away.
And then we live in a dictatorship not much to look forward too now is it?

Patt · #**119** 07/06/10, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by oneokie

I went to that site and rummaged around trying to find the graphics that are mentioned as showing areas that will experience drought conditions in the 10 years following the publishing of that article. Only thing I found was a link to subscribe.

What I did conclude from reading the article is that it is just another rant against Monsanto and their GMO.

When it comes to stuff like that, I am very skeptical. Show me how that conclusion was arrived at, or it is junk. Just because someone has PhD after their name and have been published does not carry any weight with me.

I linked the article because I clipped the bit about THE STUDY out of it. So let's stick to what the study said about organic production vs. conventional production rather than going off down the rabbit trail of climate change, please?

Patt · #**120** 07/06/10, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by arabian knight

So?? My choice, i still live in a free World. And right now I am chewing tobacco. So??? My choice.
At least it is still free at this point in time unless the government gets their way and takes the choices away.
And then we live in a dictatorship not much to look forward too now is it?

I just honestly wish I didn't have to pay for your healthcare here in 5-6 years.