A cheap and reliable food supply

Have not seen it, or heard of it.
The fact that you drive 60 miles to save that much per gallon is fine. But if you have a neighbor 5 miles away with fresh milk.... Not to mention, we deliver the milk, soooo...

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Did you see this? http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...w/wickard.html

Precedent was set for the gov. to tell people what they could raise in the way of crops. If one trusts our government, nothing to worry about.

Absolutely, and when you are eating from dumpsters and/or depending on what a church pantry can give you, you are NOT picky.

And when you do have a little change for food, you can get incredibly creative with a package of Ramen noodles. (And I hope I never have to eat a package of Ramen noodles again. EVER).

IF you have a neighbor 5 miles away with milk.

The nearest farm to me with vat-pasteurized milk is more than 40 miles away, and the price is twice the price of grocery store milk.

The nearest farm to me with raw milk (that they can legally sell), is almost a hundred miles away, and the price is THREE TIMES the grocery store price.

Not very many people can pay those prices. And most wouldn't want to make the drive.

This is about the 3rd thread I've seen recently that makes me want to start a certain topic, but no time at the moment, gotta leave in a few.

Can someone start a topic concerning buying local, re: what is available locally, how far it takes to drive for it, and how much it costs compared to the grocery store. (If you grow your own, pretend you don't).

I'll look for the new topic tonight or in the morning.

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That is fascinating, thanks! No I don't trust it and I agree with the farmer they have no business telling him what he can grow. Especially since it looked like he sold very little of it.

This was interesting:
Sounds like one of those fairytale integrated farm systems to me.

Sure. Looks like Heritagefarm beat me to it.

I live to eat not eat to live.1
I am 60 and will be eating like this until they cover me up with dirt. I have had 60 nice years of eating foods i like not foods I don't.
Give me a gallon of ice cream and i will see just how big a malted I can make from it.
I like to find places that makes nice big malts, the ones that make sure there at least one quart of ice cream is in it.
And don't get me started on just how many 1/4 pounders I have had.
Instead of my CB "handle" being "Arabian Knight" I should have had it as "Wimpy".

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I just came back from Gettysburg last week and though I only saw a small percentage of the rural countryside, I saw some fabulous old barns all along the way. Some beautiful farms, too, all through Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Where do you live? Of course, there were some clunkers, too, but there were quite a few of the modern metal buildings,as well.

Granted, I saw a lot of suburbs from the Interstate and the Tollways. But nothing beats home, sweet home, does it?

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Here is a better way of putting it. Way better then what I said in my post.
I am not sure who wrote that but it sure is a good one to live by.

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As a Christian, I am aware of the three ways in which Satan attacks us. It is ever his plan that he disrupt and distract us from doing God's will.

First, the adversary attacks our will. He whispers into our ears that we are not strong enough to change things, or that we are all alone in this world and should not speak loudly. In this way we cower and do not do God's will, despite the all powerful force allied with us.

Next, the adversary attacks our mind. He perverts the intellect God gives us so that we develop theories and plans out of accordance with the word God gave us. If the adversary can, he will even lead us to question God's existence ... the ultimate victory over mankind.

Finally, if he cannot attack us in any other way, the adversary attacks our body. He uses our greed and desire to eat cheaply to fill us with junk and toxins so that we may sicken and die or lack the energy to do God's will. He uses evil scheming men who fill their foods with artificial substances that were never meant to be consumed. He lures us away from healthy food with the unhealthy, and then our lusts and appetites CHANGE so that we reject the wholesome nourishment God has provided and seek only the corrupted filth.

We might pray for strength when we pass a brothel or a casino, but we would do well to pray for strength when we pass by a McDonald's.

The key to the issue is educating people.

I was at a seminar a couple years ago here in Ohio. There was a pilot program where people could use food stamps to purchase food at farmers markets. Two ladies doing the workshop were explaining what they were doing to educate the consumers. They had even printed up a VERY BASIC cookbook for these consumers. So, basic.....even explained peeling certain veggies, how to even just steam veggies.
IMO, EDUCATION is the key.......NOT NANNIE STATE dictates!!!

And there will be some who will cling to their Twinkies and Fruit Loops, no matter what information you give to them.

IMO, people should have the freedom to choose.

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I agree I just think we need to balance that choice to where it doesn't cost more for an apple than it does for a Twinkie.

Interesting response. Ever see or hear about the movie "Soylent Green"?""

Now THERE is a truly intelligent response!!!

Oh I have that movie on DVD great classic Science Fiction Movie.

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Well there is something we agree on, I love old SciFi! Logan's Run, Planet of the Apes, Soylent green.

SO, I pedaled my recumbent bike to the organic market the other day. Planned on buying some kefir, free-range chicken, leeks, and organic milk that was all hand-chewed by an authentic Amishman. As I wheeled past Wal Mart, I could not help tsk tsking those poor, obese diabetic People of Wal Mart with their cracks all exposed, wheeling their carts full of calorie laden junk food to their hoopties. Pity. If someone only told them how pathetic they are. If THEY would buy recumbent bikes, and eat kefir and free range organic milk like I do, they would be as superior as I am. No longer would obesity and diabetes plague our world. And we would have a greener, petroleum-free economy as a side benefit!! Imagine all the folks raising organic food. Why heck, I bet even apartment dwellers can sow and reap a little plot of wheat, or maybe brown rice, on their patios and balconies. Imagine the Green Revolution it would be!! Alas, as the horde of cart-pushing People of Wal Mart receded in my rearview mirror, I realized that they were just the lowest common denominator, and as such are deserving of no more than my utmost scorn and the most incharitable thoughts. Scum! They might as well just die. There's too many of them anyway... Wonder how many have their burial plots or cremations paid for?

What? Me? Sanctimonious? Nooooo! Just superior, in every way.

Problem is, you have enough to buy that food, and some don't. While we sell stuff that expensive, we could not buy our own food. Odd, huh?

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Truly ironic! That's why we bought this far we had 3 growing boys and we wanted to feed them organic and figured raising our own was the only way we could. Never figured it would wind up our full time business!

Worthy of repeating. I love it!!!!

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That's where the thought process breaks down. People think of organic food as only something for the rich and wealthy. Why is that so? Is it really that much more expensive than "normal" food?

It's not. People in other countries pay a higher rate for normal food than Americans do even for organic.

The problem is that normal food is so blooming CHEAP here because it's primarily subsidized by the government in one way or another. Even the agricultural entities NOT directly subsidized benefit indirectly from the grain crops the government does subsidize.

At this point, organic has become just a label. I do not want to eat foods soaked in organically-approved toxins any more than I want to eat foods soaked in traditional toxins. What I want is healthy LOCAL food produced by people in my community who are earning a living wage and whose sons will be able to sell food to my sons some thirty years from now.

If you are poor, on a budget, or living in marginal conditions then there is no greater imperative than for you to establish your OWN food production any way you can. Living in a city is no excuse with the proliferance of urban community gardens.

''establish your OWN food production any way you can""

I agree 100%. That's why it's so good that "Soylent Green is peeeeopllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeee!!!"""